2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets

hagan714 · 02-16-2013, 05:59 PM

i was stressing the point you made. first and for most

affordable depth is key

Seer1 · 02-17-2013, 09:24 AM

Okay, so why does it seem like it's been so much easier for us to spot the hidden talent on the offensive side? Is it our scouting or is it our coaching, or lack thereof? Over the years we've picked up some bigger names like Franklin and Ellis and they pretty much come to little. If our track record doesn't improve, does it really matter who we pick up?

B_Dub_Saint · 02-17-2013, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Okay, so why does it seem like it's been so much easier for us to spot the hidden talent on the offensive side? Is it our scouting or is it our coaching, or lack thereof? Over the years we've picked up some bigger names like Franklin and Ellis and they pretty much come to little. If our track record doesn't improve, does it really matter who we pick up?

Offense looks easy because Brees spreads the ball around and they are coached well and understand the schemes. Coach Payton has been cementing his offensive mentality into the vets since 2006 and that is passed onto the rookies.

As far as D goes, I think we have the talent but not the right coaching for the talents they possess. We have gone through now 4 defensive coaches since 2006 and force feeding them to adapting to the coaches style of D instead of using their strenghts.

Having said that, I think we could use upgrades at several positions but we can use some of the guys we have if they work hard and if Ryan can teach them in ways thats they can be at their best

FinSaint · 02-17-2013, 09:47 AM

A big part of that seeming disparity between the offense and defense when it comes to getting the most out of rookies and FAs has probably a lot to do with the lack of continuity on the staff the Saints have had on the defensive side.

Seer1 · 02-17-2013, 11:31 AM

Do you think Sean's ready to focus on the D after having to watch our amazingly historic defense on tv last year?

jeanpierre · 02-17-2013, 04:23 PM

Several of you have keyed on the problems being coaching and others on talent...

The truth is its been both our scouting department and defensive coaches together have failed miserably in identifying and developing talent...

...and that's where Coach Payton really needs to address and cement his place as an elite coach besides just his salary indicating same...

jeanpierre · 02-18-2013, 01:23 PM

Top Ten FA List [Updated - 02/18/2013]

01 LT Jermon Bushrod, NO
02 OC Brian De La Puente, NO *RFA
03 FS Kenny Phillips, NYGF
04 WR Danario Alexander, SD *RFA
05 DE Ricky Jean Francois, SF
06 LB Daryl Smith, JAX
04 NT Terrence Knighton, JAX
08 LB Conner Barwin, HOU
09 WR Julian Edelman, NE
10 LB Brad Jones, GB

hagan714 · 02-18-2013, 06:31 PM

( i know a re post)

Affordable FA driven list

William Beatty OT NYG

Terrance Knighton NT Jags

Brandon Myers TE OAK

Brad Jones ILB GB

James Ihedigbo S/ST BAL

Leodis McKelvin CB Bills - i want to see him come in at least

Priority #1 OT

OT is the issue this off season and will drive everything in FA and/or the draft.

William Beatty OT NYG will be cheaper to sign than Bushrod IMO.

- can play both RT and LT
-Draft in round 1 or 3 LOT/ROT if one falls to you
-Both players should be about the same as Bushrod will be asking.
-i believe you have solved the OT position for the next 3 to 4 years.

imo that would be the best cap move plus would aid in the running game and give Ingram a fighting chance to prove his worth as a #1 pick in this offense

Priority #2 - True 34 NT run stopper for depth

Terrance Knighton NT Jags - talked at length already

Prioity #3 , Insant Impact

Brad Jones ILB GB

Brandon Myers TE OAK

James Ihedigbo S/ST BAL

Signing any of these players would free up the draft greatly and would have the biggest bang for the buc,

hagan714 · 02-19-2013, 09:20 PM

i wonder why the saints are not asking these players to stop in workout

Aaron Curry - 34 ILB
Selected by: Seattle Seahawks
Traded to Oakland
Round: 1 (4)
lmao overhyped "can't miss" star
mistake was putting him at OLB
knee soreness ????

Sergio Kindle - rush linebacker in a 3-4
Round: 2 (43rd overall)
labeled as one of the most versatile hybrid defenders
lmao overhyped and yet i have to admit i fell for it too
bad knee, which required four surgeries by the time he entered the draft
fell down the stairs, fracturing his skull
DUI arrest back in December of 2010

why not kick some tires and lite some fires

Jeff Faine | Center
how about an old time fav

jeanpierre · 02-19-2013, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

( i know a re post)

Affordable FA driven list

William Beatty OT NYG

Terrance Knighton NT Jags

Brandon Myers TE OAK

Brad Jones ILB GB

James Ihedigbo S/ST BAL

Leodis McKelvin CB Bills - i want to see him come in at least

Priority #1 OT

OT is the issue this off season and will drive everything in FA and/or the draft.

William Beatty OT NYG will be cheaper to sign than Bushrod IMO.

- can play both RT and LT
-Draft in round 1 or 3 LOT/ROT if one falls to you
-Both players should be about the same as Bushrod will be asking.
-i believe you have solved the OT position for the next 3 to 4 years.

imo that would be the best cap move plus would aid in the running game and give Ingram a fighting chance to prove his worth as a #1 pick in this offense

Priority #2 - True 34 NT run stopper for depth

Terrance Knighton NT Jags - talked at length already

Prioity #3 , Insant Impact

Brad Jones ILB GB

Brandon Myers TE OAK

James Ihedigbo S/ST BAL

Signing any of these players would free up the draft greatly and would have the biggest bang for the buc,

Totally agree with the priorities...

But it's either Bushrod or Bust; and then we'll definitely have to lean on the Draft...

NT is a definite must-add...

Hope we have enough left to grab a defensive play-maker...

02-16-2013, 05:59 PM	#241
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets i was stressing the point you made. first and for most affordable depth is key

02-17-2013, 09:24 AM	#242
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Okay, so why does it seem like it's been so much easier for us to spot the hidden talent on the offensive side? Is it our scouting or is it our coaching, or lack thereof? Over the years we've picked up some bigger names like Franklin and Ellis and they pretty much come to little. If our track record doesn't improve, does it really matter who we pick up?

02-17-2013, 09:34 AM	#243
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by Seer1 Okay, so why does it seem like it's been so much easier for us to spot the hidden talent on the offensive side? Is it our scouting or is it our coaching, or lack thereof? Over the years we've picked up some bigger names like Franklin and Ellis and they pretty much come to little. If our track record doesn't improve, does it really matter who we pick up? Offense looks easy because Brees spreads the ball around and they are coached well and understand the schemes. Coach Payton has been cementing his offensive mentality into the vets since 2006 and that is passed onto the rookies. As far as D goes, I think we have the talent but not the right coaching for the talents they possess. We have gone through now 4 defensive coaches since 2006 and force feeding them to adapting to the coaches style of D instead of using their strenghts. Having said that, I think we could use upgrades at several positions but we can use some of the guys we have if they work hard and if Ryan can teach them in ways thats they can be at their best FinSaint likes this.
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02-17-2013, 09:47 AM	#244
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets A big part of that seeming disparity between the offense and defense when it comes to getting the most out of rookies and FAs has probably a lot to do with the lack of continuity on the staff the Saints have had on the defensive side.

02-17-2013, 11:31 AM	#245
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Do you think Sean's ready to focus on the D after having to watch our amazingly historic defense on tv last year?

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02-17-2013, 04:23 PM	#246
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Several of you have keyed on the problems being coaching and others on talent... The truth is its been both our scouting department and defensive coaches together have failed miserably in identifying and developing talent... ...and that's where Coach Payton really needs to address and cement his place as an elite coach besides just his salary indicating same... Seer1 likes this.

02-18-2013, 01:23 PM	#247
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Top Ten FA List [Updated - 02/18/2013] 01 LT Jermon Bushrod, NO 02 OC Brian De La Puente, NO RFA 03 FS Kenny Phillips, NYGF 04 WR Danario Alexander, SD RFA 05 DE Ricky Jean Francois, SF 06 LB Daryl Smith, JAX 04 NT Terrence Knighton, JAX 08 LB Conner Barwin, HOU 09 WR Julian Edelman, NE 10 LB Brad Jones, GB
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02-18-2013, 06:31 PM	#248
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets ( i know a re post) Affordable FA driven list William Beatty OT NYG Terrance Knighton NT Jags Brandon Myers TE OAK Brad Jones ILB GB James Ihedigbo S/ST BAL Leodis McKelvin CB Bills - i want to see him come in at least Priority #1 OT OT is the issue this off season and will drive everything in FA and/or the draft. William Beatty OT NYG will be cheaper to sign than Bushrod IMO. - can play both RT and LT -Draft in round 1 or 3 LOT/ROT if one falls to you -Both players should be about the same as Bushrod will be asking. -i believe you have solved the OT position for the next 3 to 4 years. imo that would be the best cap move plus would aid in the running game and give Ingram a fighting chance to prove his worth as a #1 pick in *this* offense Priority #2 - True 34 NT run stopper for depth Terrance Knighton NT Jags - talked at length already Prioity #3 , Insant Impact Brad Jones ILB GB Brandon Myers TE OAK James Ihedigbo S/ST BAL Signing any of these players would free up the draft greatly and would have the biggest bang for the buc,
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 02-18-2013 at 06:47 PM..

02-19-2013, 09:20 PM	#249
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets i wonder why the saints are not asking these players to stop in workout Aaron Curry - 34 ILB Selected by: Seattle Seahawks Traded to Oakland Round: 1 (4) lmao overhyped "can't miss" star mistake was putting him at OLB knee soreness ???? Sergio Kindle - rush linebacker in a 3-4 Round: 2 (43rd overall) labeled as one of the most versatile hybrid defenders lmao overhyped and yet i have to admit i fell for it too bad knee, which required four surgeries by the time he entered the draft fell down the stairs, fracturing his skull DUI arrest back in December of 2010 why not kick some tires and lite some fires Jeff Faine \| Center how about an old time fav
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 02-20-2013 at 12:51 PM..

02-19-2013, 11:31 PM	#250
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by hagan714 ( i know a re post) Affordable FA driven list William Beatty OT NYG Terrance Knighton NT Jags Brandon Myers TE OAK Brad Jones ILB GB James Ihedigbo S/ST BAL Leodis McKelvin CB Bills - i want to see him come in at least Priority #1 OT OT is the issue this off season and will drive everything in FA and/or the draft. William Beatty OT NYG will be cheaper to sign than Bushrod IMO. - can play both RT and LT -Draft in round 1 or 3 LOT/ROT if one falls to you -Both players should be about the same as Bushrod will be asking. -i believe you have solved the OT position for the next 3 to 4 years. imo that would be the best cap move plus would aid in the running game and give Ingram a fighting chance to prove his worth as a #1 pick in *this* offense Priority #2 - True 34 NT run stopper for depth Terrance Knighton NT Jags - talked at length already Prioity #3 , Insant Impact Brad Jones ILB GB Brandon Myers TE OAK James Ihedigbo S/ST BAL Signing any of these players would free up the draft greatly and would have the biggest bang for the buc, Totally agree with the priorities... But it's either Bushrod or Bust; and then we'll definitely have to lean on the Draft... NT is a definite must-add... Hope we have enough left to grab a defensive play-maker...

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