2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets

lee909 · 12-27-2012, 04:10 AM

30.2ml on Harper,Vilma and Smith
That is horrible.
How much would be saved from the cap just cutting them.?.

Danno · 12-27-2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

30.2ml on Harper,Vilma and Smith
That is horrible.
How much would be saved from the cap just cutting them.?.

Vilma - 6 million
Smith - 7.7 million
Harper - 1.5 million (depending on how his bonus's are structured)

Then you have to replace all 3 with comparable players. Smith and Vilma look like no brainers, but its probably cheaper to keep Harper than cut him and sign a replacement.

lee909 · 12-27-2012, 08:14 AM

Thanks
Looks like Harpers cap might be his safety net to staying.The other two need big restructures or they are gone IMO.
Both been great servants to the Saints but you have to move on.

jeanpierre · 01-04-2013, 05:04 PM

I think the biggest issue will be do we stay with Spagnuolo and the 4-3 or buy into a 3-4 using Martez Wilson (Jack), Curtis Lofton (Mike), David Hawthorne (Sam), and Jonathan Casillas/Will Herring (Will)?!?

If we go 4-3, we still are going to have to replace Sedrick Ellis and Will Smith (Salary Cap & Declined Play)...

FinSaint · 01-04-2013, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I think the biggest issue will be do we stay with Spagnuolo and the 4-3 or buy into a 3-4 using Martez Wilson (Jack), Curtis Lofton (Mike), David Hawthorne (Sam), and Jonathan Casillas/Will Herring (Will)?!?

If we go 4-3, we still are going to have to replace Sedrick Ellis and Will Smith (Salary Cap & Declined Play)...

Don't forget about Chamberlain.

He played well for the Rams last season as an OLB, and he looked really good in the preseason before his season ending injury. He seemed fast on the field and made some nice tackles in the running game if my memory serves me right.

Oh, and he already played in Spags' system in St. Louis.

jeanpierre · 01-04-2013, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Don't forget about Chamberlain.

He played well for the Rams last season as an OLB, and he looked really good in the preseason before his season ending injury. He seemed fast on the field and made some nice tackles in the running game if my memory serves me right.

Oh, and he already played in Spags' system in St. Louis.

Chamberlain would be an undersized Linebacker in a 3-4 system; but could he play Strong Safety? Doubt it...

If we stay in a 4-3 Defense, he's expected to push in the WLB spot and play special teams, again one of Steve's guys...

FinSaint · 01-05-2013, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Chamberlain would be an undersized Linebacker in a 3-4 system; but could he play Strong Safety? Doubt it...

If we stay in a 4-3 Defense, he's expected to push in the WLB spot and play special teams, again one of Steve's guys...

Well, only Herring has more size than Chamberlain out of the Saints' current LB corps, so if we are talking about converting into a 3-4 and doing it with the current roster - he'd be a valid candidate for that OLB position. And in any case, he has enough size to work as an OLB, because there are other LBs around the league who have been successful at that position who were either similar or smaller in size than Chamberlain. I think it's more of a case if his skill-set fits that role, and he seemed fast, agile enough to cover receivers if need be, and a sure tackler, so based on that I'd say he could work in this new position.

Naturally, Wilson would be a clear choice to be moved back to the LB position under the conversion, but other than him, the Saints really don't have prototypical 3-4 OLB linebackers.

blackangold · 01-05-2013, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Well, only Herring has more size than Chamberlain out of the Saints' current LB corps, so if we are talking about converting into a 3-4 and doing it with the current roster - he'd be a valid candidate for that OLB position. And in any case, he has enough size to work as an OLB, because there are other LBs around the league who have been successful at that position who were either similar or smaller in size than Chamberlain. I think it's more of a case if his skill-set fits that role, and he seemed fast, agile enough to cover receivers if need be, and a sure tackler, so based on that I'd say he could work in this new position.

Naturally, Wilson would be a clear choice to be moved back to the LB position under the conversion, but other than him, the Saints really don't have prototypical 3-4 OLB linebackers.

on the other side of Wilson... why not junior. He has the size and speed to play the position.

Danno · 01-04-2013, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I think the biggest issue will be do we stay with Spagnuolo and the 4-3 or buy into a 3-4 using Martez Wilson (Jack), Curtis Lofton (Mike), David Hawthorne (Sam), and Jonathan Casillas/Will Herring (Will)?!?

If we go 4-3, we still are going to have to replace Sedrick Ellis and Will Smith (Salary Cap & Declined Play)...

Good point. If we convert to a 3-4 we already have our front 3 in Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, and we can field a decent set of LB's.

If we stay in a 4-3 we need a RDE, which cost a lot of money.

Rugby Saint II · 01-06-2013, 08:26 PM

[QUOTE=Danno;470289]Good point. If we convert to a 3-4 we already have our front 3 in Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, and we can field a decent set of LB's.
If we stay in a 4-3 we need a RDE, which cost a lot of money.[/QUOTE

So, you're saying you want Vitt coaching four LB'ers at a time instead of just three. Hmmm...........I don't know about that. I'm just kidding. But really do we want that?

12-27-2012, 08:06 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by lee909 30.2ml on Harper,Vilma and Smith That is horrible. How much would be saved from the cap just cutting them.?. Vilma - 6 million Smith - 7.7 million Harper - 1.5 million (depending on how his bonus's are structured) Then you have to replace all 3 with comparable players. Smith and Vilma look like no brainers, but its probably cheaper to keep Harper than cut him and sign a replacement.

01-04-2013, 05:04 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets I think the biggest issue will be do we stay with Spagnuolo and the 4-3 or buy into a 3-4 using Martez Wilson (Jack), Curtis Lofton (Mike), David Hawthorne (Sam), and Jonathan Casillas/Will Herring (Will)?!? If we go 4-3, we still are going to have to replace Sedrick Ellis and Will Smith (Salary Cap & Declined Play)...

01-04-2013, 05:20 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by jeanpierre I think the biggest issue will be do we stay with Spagnuolo and the 4-3 or buy into a 3-4 using Martez Wilson (Jack), Curtis Lofton (Mike), David Hawthorne (Sam), and Jonathan Casillas/Will Herring (Will)?!? If we go 4-3, we still are going to have to replace Sedrick Ellis and Will Smith (Salary Cap & Declined Play)... Don't forget about Chamberlain. He played well for the Rams last season as an OLB, and he looked really good in the preseason before his season ending injury. He seemed fast on the field and made some nice tackles in the running game if my memory serves me right. Oh, and he already played in Spags' system in St. Louis.

01-04-2013, 11:32 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by FinSaint Don't forget about Chamberlain. He played well for the Rams last season as an OLB, and he looked really good in the preseason before his season ending injury. He seemed fast on the field and made some nice tackles in the running game if my memory serves me right. Oh, and he already played in Spags' system in St. Louis. Chamberlain would be an undersized Linebacker in a 3-4 system; but could he play Strong Safety? Doubt it... If we stay in a 4-3 Defense, he's expected to push in the WLB spot and play special teams, again one of Steve's guys...

01-05-2013, 12:31 AM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by jeanpierre Chamberlain would be an undersized Linebacker in a 3-4 system; but could he play Strong Safety? Doubt it... If we stay in a 4-3 Defense, he's expected to push in the WLB spot and play special teams, again one of Steve's guys... Well, only Herring has more size than Chamberlain out of the Saints' current LB corps, so if we are talking about converting into a 3-4 and doing it with the current roster - he'd be a valid candidate for that OLB position. And in any case, he has enough size to work as an OLB, because there are other LBs around the league who have been successful at that position who were either similar or smaller in size than Chamberlain. I think it's more of a case if his skill-set fits that role, and he seemed fast, agile enough to cover receivers if need be, and a sure tackler, so based on that I'd say he could work in this new position. Naturally, Wilson would be a clear choice to be moved back to the LB position under the conversion, but other than him, the Saints really don't have prototypical 3-4 OLB linebackers. Rugby Saint II likes this.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

12-27-2012, 04:10 AM	#1
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	30.2ml on Harper,Vilma and Smith That is horrible. How much would be saved from the cap just cutting them.?.

12-27-2012, 08:14 AM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Thanks Looks like Harpers cap might be his safety net to staying.The other two need big restructures or they are gone IMO. Both been great servants to the Saints but you have to move on.

01-05-2013, 03:57 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by FinSaint Well, only Herring has more size than Chamberlain out of the Saints' current LB corps, so if we are talking about converting into a 3-4 and doing it with the current roster - he'd be a valid candidate for that OLB position. And in any case, he has enough size to work as an OLB, because there are other LBs around the league who have been successful at that position who were either similar or smaller in size than Chamberlain. I think it's more of a case if his skill-set fits that role, and he seemed fast, agile enough to cover receivers if need be, and a sure tackler, so based on that I'd say he could work in this new position. Naturally, Wilson would be a clear choice to be moved back to the LB position under the conversion, but other than him, the Saints really don't have prototypical 3-4 OLB linebackers. on the other side of Wilson... why not junior. He has the size and speed to play the position.

01-04-2013, 05:40 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by jeanpierre I think the biggest issue will be do we stay with Spagnuolo and the 4-3 or buy into a 3-4 using Martez Wilson (Jack), Curtis Lofton (Mike), David Hawthorne (Sam), and Jonathan Casillas/Will Herring (Will)?!? If we go 4-3, we still are going to have to replace Sedrick Ellis and Will Smith (Salary Cap & Declined Play)... Good point. If we convert to a 3-4 we already have our front 3 in Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, and we can field a decent set of LB's. If we stay in a 4-3 we need a RDE, which cost a lot of money.

01-06-2013, 08:26 PM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets [QUOTE=Danno;470289]Good point. If we convert to a 3-4 we already have our front 3 in Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, and we can field a decent set of LB's. If we stay in a 4-3 we need a RDE, which cost a lot of money.[/QUOTE So, you're saying you want Vitt coaching four LB'ers at a time instead of just three. Hmmm...........I don't know about that. I'm just kidding. But really do we want that?

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