2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets

Danno · 01-29-2013, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Wish we had played Sharper for one more year, they just pushed him to the side in favour of Jenkins and we haven't been able to catch an interception since

Then again he was simply horrible in 2010. It was pretty obvious he had one good year left in him, and that was 2009.

TheOak · 01-29-2013, 12:10 PM

Sharper had a very unproductive 2010 0- interceptions in 8 games played.

After 14 years he was done. He had micro fracture surgery in the off season and never returned to his previous level of play. He missed the first 6 weeks, played a few weeks then was hurt again.

FinSaint · 01-29-2013, 12:22 PM

Sharper wasn't pushed aside in favor of Jenkins - he simply couldn't get himself healthy enough to be at a 100% level, which was probably a big reason why he decided to retire after the 2010 season.

hagan714 · 01-29-2013, 01:45 PM

Sean Smith 6'3" / 218 / 25 /CB Miami

National Football League: NFL Draft 2009 - Sean Smith

The Miami Herald confirms that CB Sean Smith is likely to reach free agency without a deal in place with the Dolphins.
Smith and his agent are using Jason McCourty's six-year, $43 million contract as a baseline in negotiations, and plugged-in columnist Armando Salguero considers that too pricey even for the cap-rich Dolphins. Per Salguero, the Fins view Smith as more of a "good player" as opposed to a "game changer or playmaker." Jan 25 - 1:16 PM
Source: Miami Herald

if the saints are going to redo the defense and as i read it to get under the cap why not get a CB that can play safety also. granted the price maybe a bit step but no to make a push for a player of this size and skill set would be a shame.

major short comings is playing against smaller quicker wr but against bigger WR he is solid.

Good bye Harper to pull the move

dizzle88 · 01-29-2013, 01:51 PM

If we got Sean smith I wouldn't want us to move him to safety

Our CB's are worse than our safeties, I'd let him start and let Greer and the others battle for the second starting spot

Danno · 01-29-2013, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

if the saints are going to redo the defense and as i read it to get under the cap why not get a CB that can play safety also. granted the price maybe a bit step but no to make a push for a player of this size and skill set would be a shame.

major short comings is playing against smaller quicker wr but against bigger WR he is solid.

Good bye Harper to pull the move

And Good Bye to any decent free agent DE, DT, OT or OLB.

FinSaint · 01-29-2013, 04:13 PM

IDK, if they are using McCourty's deal as a guideline - 6-years $7M a year isn't really what this needs right now.

hagan714 · 01-29-2013, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

IDK, if they are using McCourty's deal as a guideline - 6-years $7M a year isn't really what this needs right now.

thats what the wallet says i agree. but if the saints were to do a deal in this price range i have to ponder the secondary as the place to start. the dl has a couple of issues and so do the LB corp but the secondary needs a new infusion of attitude. i would still be open to wheel and dealing in the draft to add another bigger CB to the mix early also.

your a fin man give me some in site on the kid. i like what i saw against the pats the pass few years. i liked him coming out of college but thought a second was a bit high back then

papz · 01-29-2013, 05:46 PM

Here's a little excerpt on Sean Smith from PFF...

First Downs Allowed in Coverage

It’s a relatively simple concept. We wanted to see which cornerbacks not only gave up the most first downs or touchdowns, but also who gave up the most relative to how often they’re in coverage. After all, someone in coverage for 500 snaps is infinitely more likely to give up results to the offense than a player in coverage for 300.

Now to the data.

Chain Movers

Where better to start than the raw numbers showing who gave up the most first downs? In that respect, [b]the first walk of shame belongs to Sean Smith, who was beaten for 40 first downs and six touchdowns in 2012. Those 46 combined first downs and touchdowns were one more than Cary Williams and Patrick Robinson, both of whom had 45 as their magical number. How about that, two of the three are about to be free agents. Interesting.

Here's the entire article: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...d-cornerbacks/

Still want Sean Smith?

ClintSaints · 01-29-2013, 05:53 PM

I want Osi.

01-29-2013, 12:02 PM	#151
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by dizzle88 Wish we had played Sharper for one more year, they just pushed him to the side in favour of Jenkins and we haven't been able to catch an interception since Then again he was simply horrible in 2010. It was pretty obvious he had one good year left in him, and that was 2009. lsutigerfan likes this.

01-29-2013, 12:10 PM	#152
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Sharper had a very unproductive 2010 0- interceptions in 8 games played. After 14 years he was done. He had micro fracture surgery in the off season and never returned to his previous level of play. He missed the first 6 weeks, played a few weeks then was hurt again. lsutigerfan and FinSaint like this.

01-29-2013, 12:22 PM	#153
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Sharper wasn't pushed aside in favor of Jenkins - he simply couldn't get himself healthy enough to be at a 100% level, which was probably a big reason why he decided to retire after the 2010 season.

01-29-2013, 01:45 PM	#154
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Sean Smith 6'3" / 218 / 25 /CB Miami National Football League: NFL Draft 2009 - Sean Smith The Miami Herald confirms that CB Sean Smith is likely to reach free agency without a deal in place with the Dolphins. Smith and his agent are using Jason McCourty's six-year, $43 million contract as a baseline in negotiations, and plugged-in columnist Armando Salguero considers that too pricey even for the cap-rich Dolphins. Per Salguero, the Fins view Smith as more of a "good player" as opposed to a "game changer or playmaker." Jan 25 - 1:16 PM Source: Miami Herald if the saints are going to redo the defense and as i read it to get under the cap why not get a CB that can play safety also. granted the price maybe a bit step but no to make a push for a player of this size and skill set would be a shame. major short comings is playing against smaller quicker wr but against bigger WR he is solid. Good bye Harper to pull the move
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01-29-2013, 01:51 PM	#155
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets If we got Sean smith I wouldn't want us to move him to safety Our CB's are worse than our safeties, I'd let him start and let Greer and the others battle for the second starting spot

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01-29-2013, 02:08 PM	#156
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by hagan714 if the saints are going to redo the defense and as i read it to get under the cap why not get a CB that can play safety also. granted the price maybe a bit step but no to make a push for a player of this size and skill set would be a shame. major short comings is playing against smaller quicker wr but against bigger WR he is solid. Good bye Harper to pull the move And Good Bye to any decent free agent DE, DT, OT or OLB.

01-29-2013, 04:13 PM	#157
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets IDK, if they are using McCourty's deal as a guideline - 6-years $7M a year isn't really what this needs right now.

01-29-2013, 04:55 PM	#158
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Originally Posted by FinSaint IDK, if they are using McCourty's deal as a guideline - 6-years $7M a year isn't really what this needs right now. thats what the wallet says i agree. but if the saints were to do a deal in this price range i have to ponder the secondary as the place to start. the dl has a couple of issues and so do the LB corp but the secondary needs a new infusion of attitude. i would still be open to wheel and dealing in the draft to add another bigger CB to the mix early also. your a fin man give me some in site on the kid. i like what i saw against the pats the pass few years. i liked him coming out of college but thought a second was a bit high back then
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

01-29-2013, 05:46 PM	#159
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets Here's a little excerpt on Sean Smith from PFF... First Downs Allowed in Coverage It’s a relatively simple concept. We wanted to see which cornerbacks not only gave up the most first downs or touchdowns, but also who gave up the most relative to how often they’re in coverage. After all, someone in coverage for 500 snaps is infinitely more likely to give up results to the offense than a player in coverage for 300. Now to the data. Chain Movers Where better to start than the raw numbers showing who gave up the most first downs? In that respect, [b]the first walk of shame belongs to Sean Smith, who was beaten for 40 first downs and six touchdowns in 2012. Those 46 combined first downs and touchdowns were one more than Cary Williams and Patrick Robinson, both of whom had 45 as their magical number. How about that, two of the three are about to be free agents. Interesting. Here's the entire article: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...d-cornerbacks/ Still want Sean Smith?

01-29-2013, 05:53 PM	#160
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: 2013 Saints - Free Agency Targets I want Osi.

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