Young Saints safeties Abdul-Quddus, Bush stepping up late in season

dizzle88 · 12-22-2012, 03:42 AM

Isa has the instincts to play FS, it just comes natural to him

I've been one of the first to defend Jenkins, but Quddus is the better safety

joker-saint · 12-22-2012, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Isa has the instincts to play FS, it just comes natural to him

I've been one of the first to defend Jenkins, but Quddus is the better safety

I will beleive that when he has played more games. Jenkins is still one of the fastest guys on the team and nobody in the secondary or in the safties has compared to his level of intensity and dedication. If you have a hard time beleiving this go back and watch what Jenkins has done this year. I have never seen somebody come from the 30 yard line with about 30 yards between themselves and the receiver and still chase them down and stop the play. Not to mention he stayed in on the next 4 downs and stopped the final play on a 4th down conversion. Jenkins stays where he is at and Quddus should alternate.

Marlboro Man · 12-22-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by joker-saint

I will beleive that when he has played more games. Jenkins is still one of the fastest guys on the team and nobody in the secondary or in the safties has compared to his level of intensity and dedication. If you have a hard time beleiving this go back and watch what Jenkins has done this year. I have never seen somebody come from the 30 yard line with about 30 yards between themselves and the receiver and still chase them down and stop the play. Not to mention he stayed in on the next 4 downs and stopped the final play on a 4th down conversion. Jenkins stays where he is at and Quddus should alternate.

That was a great play, but the fact of the matter is, that it was only 1 play. The rest of his year hasn't been very good. Dropped INT's, missed assignments, missed tackles, and speed?? Are you serious? The whole reason Jenkins was moved to Safety is because of his LACK of speed and the fact that we played mostly man to man defense. The recent talk about a possible move back to CB next year is because we now play a lot more zone coverage which does not suit Robinson or Greer, but does suit a slower CB like Jenkins. Not hacking on ya man but Jenkins ran something like a 4.6 or 4.7, 40, just saying. In his first two years Jenkins did make some great plays, not so much the last two.

papz · 12-22-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

That was a great play, but the fact of the matter is, that it was only 1 play. The rest of his year hasn't been very good. Dropped INT's, missed assignments, missed tackles, and speed?? Are you serious? The whole reason Jenkins was moved to Safety is because of his LACK of speed and the fact that we played mostly man to man defense. The recent talk about a possible move back to CB next year is because we now play a lot more zone coverage which does not suit Robinson or Greer, but does suit a slower CB like Jenkins. Not hacking on ya man but Jenkins ran something like a 4.6 or 4.7, 40, just saying. In his first two years Jenkins did make some great plays, not so much the last two.

4.55 at the combine. 4.46-4.51 at his Pro Day.

He's not slow by any means... as we've seen the past two years(running guys down). I've said this in the past... Jenkins plays like a SS on the field. If he's still here when Harper is gone, I think he'll play very well there. It's weird as when he flashed his All Pro potential, he was playing nickel/safety. One would have thought a move to FS full time would have been perfect for him. I'm not ready to give up on him as a FS, but I'd like to see him go back to that role that he had success in. That way Jenkins, Quddus, and Harper can all see time on the field together.

joker-saint · 12-23-2012, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by papz

4.55 at the combine. 4.46-4.51 at his Pro Day.

He's not slow by any means... as we've seen the past two years(running guys down). I've said this in the past... Jenkins plays like a SS on the field. If he's still here when Harper is gone, I think he'll play very well there. It's weird as when he flashed his All Pro potential, he was playing nickel/safety. One would have thought a move to FS full time would have been perfect for him. I'm not ready to give up on him as a FS, but I'd like to see him go back to that role that he had success in. That way Jenkins, Quddus, and Harper can all see time on the field together.

Jenkins, Quddus and Harper would be a nasty combination. What if there was a way to work Bush into the rotation as well? All 4 of them are turning out to be excellent players. Imagine of they were all on the field at the same time. I think I have seen this happen on 2nd and 3rd downs at times. And if I recall correctly it either ended up in a pass deflection, an interception, or a dropped pass.

joker-saint · 12-23-2012, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

That was a great play, but the fact of the matter is, that it was only 1 play. The rest of his year hasn't been very good. Dropped INT's, missed assignments, missed tackles, and speed?? Are you serious? The whole reason Jenkins was moved to Safety is because of his LACK of speed and the fact that we played mostly man to man defense. The recent talk about a possible move back to CB next year is because we now play a lot more zone coverage which does not suit Robinson or Greer, but does suit a slower CB like Jenkins. Not hacking on ya man but Jenkins ran something like a 4.6 or 4.7, 40, just saying. In his first two years Jenkins did make some great plays, not so much the last two.

He had a couple games this year where he showed excellent closing speed. I am not certain why he only does this at certain times, but the speed is there when properly motivated.

Utah_Saint · 12-22-2012, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Isa has the instincts to play FS, it just comes natural to him

I've been one of the first to defend Jenkins, but Quddus is the better safety

I know what you mean dizzle, I've been a Harper supporter for years, still am but there's no denying the defense is better with the young guys in. Profootball focus has graded and ranked the top 85 safties. Jenkins is dead last and Harper is 82nd of 85. Jenkins earned negative rankings in every catagory and Harper's best ranking was a neutral in grade in run support. Isa Abdul-Quddus, on the other hand is ranked 33rd and they give him a overall positive grade.

12-22-2012, 03:42 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	Re: Young Saints safeties Abdul-Quddus, Bush stepping up late in season Isa has the instincts to play FS, it just comes natural to him I've been one of the first to defend Jenkins, but Quddus is the better safety Marlboro Man likes this.

12-22-2012, 04:30 AM	#2
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Young Saints safeties Abdul-Quddus, Bush stepping up late in season Originally Posted by dizzle88 Isa has the instincts to play FS, it just comes natural to him I've been one of the first to defend Jenkins, but Quddus is the better safety I will beleive that when he has played more games. Jenkins is still one of the fastest guys on the team and nobody in the secondary or in the safties has compared to his level of intensity and dedication. If you have a hard time beleiving this go back and watch what Jenkins has done this year. I have never seen somebody come from the 30 yard line with about 30 yards between themselves and the receiver and still chase them down and stop the play. Not to mention he stayed in on the next 4 downs and stopped the final play on a 4th down conversion. Jenkins stays where he is at and Quddus should alternate.

12-22-2012, 12:21 PM	#3
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Young Saints safeties Abdul-Quddus, Bush stepping up late in season Originally Posted by joker-saint I will beleive that when he has played more games. Jenkins is still one of the fastest guys on the team and nobody in the secondary or in the safties has compared to his level of intensity and dedication. If you have a hard time beleiving this go back and watch what Jenkins has done this year. I have never seen somebody come from the 30 yard line with about 30 yards between themselves and the receiver and still chase them down and stop the play. Not to mention he stayed in on the next 4 downs and stopped the final play on a 4th down conversion. Jenkins stays where he is at and Quddus should alternate. That was a great play, but the fact of the matter is, that it was only 1 play. The rest of his year hasn't been very good. Dropped INT's, missed assignments, missed tackles, and speed?? Are you serious? The whole reason Jenkins was moved to Safety is because of his LACK of speed and the fact that we played mostly man to man defense. The recent talk about a possible move back to CB next year is because we now play a lot more zone coverage which does not suit Robinson or Greer, but does suit a slower CB like Jenkins. Not hacking on ya man but Jenkins ran something like a 4.6 or 4.7, 40, just saying. In his first two years Jenkins did make some great plays, not so much the last two.

12-22-2012, 03:17 PM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Young Saints safeties Abdul-Quddus, Bush stepping up late in season Originally Posted by Marlboro Man That was a great play, but the fact of the matter is, that it was only 1 play. The rest of his year hasn't been very good. Dropped INT's, missed assignments, missed tackles, and speed?? Are you serious? The whole reason Jenkins was moved to Safety is because of his LACK of speed and the fact that we played mostly man to man defense. The recent talk about a possible move back to CB next year is because we now play a lot more zone coverage which does not suit Robinson or Greer, but does suit a slower CB like Jenkins. Not hacking on ya man but Jenkins ran something like a 4.6 or 4.7, 40, just saying. In his first two years Jenkins did make some great plays, not so much the last two. 4.55 at the combine. 4.46-4.51 at his Pro Day. He's not slow by any means... as we've seen the past two years(running guys down). I've said this in the past... Jenkins plays like a SS on the field. If he's still here when Harper is gone, I think he'll play very well there. It's weird as when he flashed his All Pro potential, he was playing nickel/safety. One would have thought a move to FS full time would have been perfect for him. I'm not ready to give up on him as a FS, but I'd like to see him go back to that role that he had success in. That way Jenkins, Quddus, and Harper can all see time on the field together. joker-saint and Shoe. like this.
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12-23-2012, 02:26 AM	#5
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Young Saints safeties Abdul-Quddus, Bush stepping up late in season Originally Posted by papz 4.55 at the combine. 4.46-4.51 at his Pro Day. He's not slow by any means... as we've seen the past two years(running guys down). I've said this in the past... Jenkins plays like a SS on the field. If he's still here when Harper is gone, I think he'll play very well there. It's weird as when he flashed his All Pro potential, he was playing nickel/safety. One would have thought a move to FS full time would have been perfect for him. I'm not ready to give up on him as a FS, but I'd like to see him go back to that role that he had success in. That way Jenkins, Quddus, and Harper can all see time on the field together. Jenkins, Quddus and Harper would be a nasty combination. What if there was a way to work Bush into the rotation as well? All 4 of them are turning out to be excellent players. Imagine of they were all on the field at the same time. I think I have seen this happen on 2nd and 3rd downs at times. And if I recall correctly it either ended up in a pass deflection, an interception, or a dropped pass.

12-23-2012, 02:21 AM	#6
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Young Saints safeties Abdul-Quddus, Bush stepping up late in season Originally Posted by Marlboro Man That was a great play, but the fact of the matter is, that it was only 1 play. The rest of his year hasn't been very good. Dropped INT's, missed assignments, missed tackles, and speed?? Are you serious? The whole reason Jenkins was moved to Safety is because of his LACK of speed and the fact that we played mostly man to man defense. The recent talk about a possible move back to CB next year is because we now play a lot more zone coverage which does not suit Robinson or Greer, but does suit a slower CB like Jenkins. Not hacking on ya man but Jenkins ran something like a 4.6 or 4.7, 40, just saying. In his first two years Jenkins did make some great plays, not so much the last two. He had a couple games this year where he showed excellent closing speed. I am not certain why he only does this at certain times, but the speed is there when properly motivated.

12-22-2012, 12:32 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Young Saints safeties Abdul-Quddus, Bush stepping up late in season Originally Posted by dizzle88 Isa has the instincts to play FS, it just comes natural to him I've been one of the first to defend Jenkins, but Quddus is the better safety I know what you mean dizzle, I've been a Harper supporter for years, still am but there's no denying the defense is better with the young guys in. Profootball focus has graded and ranked the top 85 safties. Jenkins is dead last and Harper is 82nd of 85. Jenkins earned negative rankings in every catagory and Harper's best ranking was a neutral in grade in run support. Isa Abdul-Quddus, on the other hand is ranked 33rd and they give him a overall positive grade.

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