But as far as I heard Payton admitted that there had been bounty payments?

I'm STILL waiting to see the real evidence. I'm still wanting to know the timeline of what this was really about. From who, what, where, when this really started.

Did it start with Childress complaining to Goodell, whose daughter is a Vikings fan (!), and did Childress name Jimmy Kennedy as his "source," because he knew of his connection to Hargrove, even though Kennedy never said so? Did Zyg Wylf, who desperately needed the NFL's help with a new stadium, complain to Goodell about it too? Where did this all COME FROM?

I said this way back at the beginning -- I have an enormous amount of emotion and energy invested in these guys and the team, as a fan...But as a reasonable, rational person, knowing what I know about the players, their coaches and their character, I REFUSE to throw them under the bus, just based on allegations or hearsay or things that don't pass the "smell test" but make good headlines....

I know people who occasionally do bad stuff -- friends, acquaintances, people I know, maybe someone close, or there's a family argument -- and in those cases I weigh it and evaluate and hear what people say, I weigh everything I hear from all sides of the argument and I decide each case on its merits ...

That never really happened in this case....we didn't get the chance to do that, as fans of the team, to weigh things and decide based on evidence....

Like a lot of Saints fans, I'm perfectly reasonable as a human being -- if someone shows me evidence that proves their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and shows an even hand of equitable punishment for all teams across the board, that you can TRUST the decision of the person in charge, well I will GLADLY throw these guys under the bus, Payton and Loomis Vilma and Hargrove and whoever else, and wish them to be buried in the Saints Hall Of Shame....

That just 100% never happened in this case, from the very beginning.

I have buried many Saints players in my personal "Hall of Shame" before...I have punted Russell Erxleben, I've saluted Aaron Brooks' backwards pass, I remember the dudes who did cocaine.....Ditka...your list may have more or other different names there....doesn't matter.

But to ME, this whole thing exposed the hypocrisy, the executive commissioner out of control, the flaws in the structure, and it soured me on the league, the executive leadership, the media, the fans of other teams, the refs, and basically EVERYONE IN THE WORLD that isn't a Saints fan.


I'll never view the sport the same way again.

I'm STILL waiting to see the real evidence. I'm still wanting to know the timeline of what this was really about. From who, what, where, when this really started.

Did it start with Childress complaining to Goodell, whose daughter is a Vikings fan (!), and did Childress name Jimmy Kennedy as his "source," because he knew of his connection to Hargrove, even though Kennedy never said so? Did Zyg Wylf, who desperately needed the NFL's help with a new stadium, complain to Goodell about it too? Where did this all COME FROM?

I said this way back at the beginning -- I have an enormous amount of emotion and energy invested in these guys and the team, as a fan...But as a reasonable, rational person, knowing what I know about the players, their coaches and their character, I REFUSE to throw them under the bus, just based on allegations or hearsay or things that don't pass the "smell test" but make good headlines....

I know people who occasionally do bad stuff -- friends, acquaintances, people I know, maybe someone close, or there's a family argument -- and in those cases I weigh it and evaluate and hear what people say, I weigh everything I hear from all sides of the argument and I decide each case on its merits ...

That never really happened in this case....we didn't get the chance to do that, as fans of the team, to weigh things and decide based on evidence....

Like a lot of Saints fans, I'm perfectly reasonable as a human being -- if someone shows me evidence that proves their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and shows an even hand of equitable punishment for all teams across the board, that you can TRUST the decision of the person in charge, well I will GLADLY throw these guys under the bus, Payton and Loomis Vilma and Hargrove and whoever else, and wish them to be buried in the Saints Hall Of Shame....

That just 100% never happened in this case, from the very beginning.

I have buried many Saints players in my personal "Hall of Shame" before...I have punted Russell Erxleben, I've saluted Aaron Brooks' backwards pass, I remember the dudes who did cocaine.....Ditka...your list may have more or other different names there....doesn't matter.

But to ME, this whole thing exposed the hypocrisy, the executive commissioner out of control, the flaws in the structure, and it soured me on the league, the executive leadership, the media, the fans of other teams, the refs, and basically EVERYONE IN THE WORLD that isn't a Saints fan.


I'll never view the sport the same way again.