Spags: I hope hes canned

TheOak · 01-03-2013, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by pinch

But here is where we differ I guess. When your defense is last in NFL history then 'somewhat better' improvements just isn't going to cut it. While we have our entire lives to adapt to our careers, NFL players have at most a few years. Hoping the players will smarten-up or improve due to an offseason is something Haslett would do.

So we should run a dumbed-down defense that is comprehensible by the lowest IQs on the team?

Yea.... um that's going to throw opposing QBs into a tizzy

Danno · 01-03-2013, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

Describe his "schemes" for us and tell us what you would run instead?

Just my 2 cents, he runs mostly zone and depends heavily on front line talent to apply pressure. LB's are required to cover deeper zones than most and his safeties typically play Left-Right instead of Strong-Free.

Since our front 4 wasn't the best at applying pressure to begin with, and our LB's aren't very good in coverage, and our CB's are better suited for man-to-man and our safeties better suited for Strong-Free, I would probably stay away from a scheme or system that is basically opposite of what your players do best.

At least thats my armchair stab at it.

Rugby Saint II · 01-03-2013, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Majsmith

Shows how little you know about coaching football. All emotional reactions. If you knew what you were talking about, you would say keep him!

Before you start calling out members who have been here and had intelligent discussions before you came along, take a deep breath and then Shut UP!

Seriously, get a feel for the board first.
And while you are at it why don't you fill in the section about me in your profile, so we know who we are dealing with?

|Mitch| · 01-03-2013, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

And while you are at it why don't you fill in the section about me in your profile, so we know who we are dealing with?

Better yet; post an introduction in the Welcome Wagon...

Rugby Saint II · 01-03-2013, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

How do you know that? You have Spagnuolo's play book?

Describe his "schemes" for us and tell us what you would run instead?

Maybe I should have finished with just my opinion. When I watch our defense play I see missed assignments, missed tackles and slow pursuit with bad angles. Oh, and almost no half time adjustments.
I JUST DON'T THINK SAPAGS DID A GOOD JOB WITH WHAT HE HAD.
I AM NOT CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, I JUST THINK OUR PLAYERS ARE STUPID. I CALL IT LIKE I SEE IT.
Just my humble opinion!

44Champs · 01-03-2013, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

How do you know that? You have Spagnuolo's play book?

Describe his "schemes" for us and tell us what you would run instead?

How old are you - 15? because you come across as very juvenile. I answered your question earlier about "schemes" with no reply from you - probably because i owned your butt w my answer - and now your badgering another member with the sme question?? Is this all you do on this board? Criticize and question everyone's posts and ask for examples?? Unless you have your own answers to refute everyone you should rethink how you respond to other members' replies.

Belair57 · 01-04-2013, 12:54 AM

i personally wont answer any of that dudes questions,or respond to him, he does come across juvenile as you stated 44champs

Utah_Saint · 01-04-2013, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Just how many of us would really be pissed off hurt is he did get canned?

I think that with all the team was going through this season and with the clear improvement of the defense over the last half of the season, he deserves at least another season.

Would I be pissed off hurt if he got canned? No. Worst defense in the history of the NFL.

Vrillon82 · 01-04-2013, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I think that with all the team was going through this season and with the clear improvement of the defense over the last half of the season, he deserves at least another season.

Would I be pissed off hurt if he got canned? No. Worst defense in the history of the NFL.

I see big difference here in what I believe.

Remember Gary Gibbs?

Well during Gibbs run as D-Coordinator, you could tell what the problem was, it wasnt the players, it was the D-Coordinator, and after the 08 season he was canned.

We FFWD to now with Spags running a similar system as Gibbs but probably a little more complex, and what I see?

I dont see Spags as the problem, I see our players as the problem, Spags sets the plan in motion, the players are not executing it.

Most of the problem has been with Roman Harper and Malcolm Jenkins, its when Bush and Quddus got more playing time at the positions, the Defense actually improved a good bit. They manage to shut out Tampa Bay because of it. First time since 1995 they actually shut someone out.

Thats my 2 cents.

Utah_Saint · 01-04-2013, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

I believe we had something like 35 turnovers that year. THAT'S what happened.
Luck played a huge role.
Hell, even Tulane could win if they had 35 turnovers every year.

I don't think it was the turn overs. The Saints only had 9 interceptions that season. Lowest number in the NFL. They were in the bottom third of the league in total turnovers that season.

We actually had 1 more turn over this year than we did that season.

01-03-2013, 03:40 PM	#91
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by pinch But here is where we differ I guess. When your defense is last in NFL history then 'somewhat better' improvements just isn't going to cut it. While we have our entire lives to adapt to our careers, NFL players have at most a few years. Hoping the players will smarten-up or improve due to an offseason is something Haslett would do. So we should run a dumbed-down defense that is comprehensible by the lowest IQs on the team? Yea.... um that's going to throw opposing QBs into a tizzy

01-03-2013, 03:55 PM	#92
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by Mikemike Describe his "schemes" for us and tell us what you would run instead? Just my 2 cents, he runs mostly zone and depends heavily on front line talent to apply pressure. LB's are required to cover deeper zones than most and his safeties typically play Left-Right instead of Strong-Free. Since our front 4 wasn't the best at applying pressure to begin with, and our LB's aren't very good in coverage, and our CB's are better suited for man-to-man and our safeties better suited for Strong-Free, I would probably stay away from a scheme or system that is basically opposite of what your players do best. At least thats my armchair stab at it.

01-03-2013, 04:47 PM	#93
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by Majsmith Shows how little you know about coaching football. All emotional reactions. If you knew what you were talking about, you would say keep him! Before you start calling out members who have been here and had intelligent discussions before you came along, take a deep breath and then Shut UP! Seriously, get a feel for the board first. And while you are at it why don't you fill in the section about me in your profile, so we know who we are dealing with? \|Mitch\|, 44Champs, FinSaint and 1 others like this.

01-03-2013, 04:56 PM	#94
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II And while you are at it why don't you fill in the section about me in your profile, so we know who we are dealing with? Better yet; post an introduction in the Welcome Wagon... Rugby Saint II and SloMotion like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by Mikemike How do you know that? You have Spagnuolo's play book? Describe his "schemes" for us and tell us what you would run instead? Maybe I should have finished with just my opinion. When I watch our defense play I see missed assignments, missed tackles and slow pursuit with bad angles. Oh, and almost no half time adjustments. I JUST DON'T THINK SAPAGS DID A GOOD JOB WITH WHAT HE HAD. I AM NOT CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, I JUST THINK OUR PLAYERS ARE STUPID. I CALL IT LIKE I SEE IT. Just my humble opinion! 44Champs likes this.

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01-03-2013, 08:36 PM	#96
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Originally Posted by Mikemike How do you know that? You have Spagnuolo's play book? Describe his "schemes" for us and tell us what you would run instead? How old are you - 15? because you come across as very juvenile. I answered your question earlier about "schemes" with no reply from you - probably because i owned your butt w my answer - and now your badgering another member with the sme question?? Is this all you do on this board? Criticize and question everyone's posts and ask for examples?? Unless you have your own answers to refute everyone you should rethink how you respond to other members' replies. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-04-2013, 12:54 AM	#97
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01-04-2013, 01:04 AM	#98
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by st thomas Just how many of us would really be pissed off hurt is he did get canned? I think that with all the team was going through this season and with the clear improvement of the defense over the last half of the season, he deserves at least another season. Would I be pissed off hurt if he got canned? No. Worst defense in the history of the NFL.

01-04-2013, 01:42 AM	#99
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I think that with all the team was going through this season and with the clear improvement of the defense over the last half of the season, he deserves at least another season. Would I be pissed off hurt if he got canned? No. Worst defense in the history of the NFL. I see big difference here in what I believe. Remember Gary Gibbs? Well during Gibbs run as D-Coordinator, you could tell what the problem was, it wasnt the players, it was the D-Coordinator, and after the 08 season he was canned. We FFWD to now with Spags running a similar system as Gibbs but probably a little more complex, and what I see? I dont see Spags as the problem, I see our players as the problem, Spags sets the plan in motion, the players are not executing it. Most of the problem has been with Roman Harper and Malcolm Jenkins, its when Bush and Quddus got more playing time at the positions, the Defense actually improved a good bit. They manage to shut out Tampa Bay because of it. First time since 1995 they actually shut someone out. Thats my 2 cents.
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01-04-2013, 01:44 AM	#100
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by Mikemike I believe we had something like 35 turnovers that year. THAT'S what happened. Luck played a huge role. Hell, even Tulane could win if they had 35 turnovers every year. I don't think it was the turn overs. The Saints only had 9 interceptions that season. Lowest number in the NFL. They were in the bottom third of the league in total turnovers that season. We actually had 1 more turn over this year than we did that season.

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