Stop it yall. We have garbage defensive players... period. .

IDK, you can't bring in a new DC every year. Coaching carousels are never in the best interest of a team.

Who is in a better position to evaluate the current defense and recommend player/personnel changes in order to affect real change? Spags or a new face?

Stopped reading right there...Nonsense, plain and simple.

Danno, I sometimes wonder if you're contrary just for the sake of being contrary. There are a few bright spots on our d, mainly the younger guys on the line, but I'm not sure how anyone can disagree that our defensive personnel on the whole is terrible. Looking at who we put on the field this season you see a collection of aging and declining vets and a bunch of younger guys, a great deal of whom have been converted from one position to another. We'd all love to think the light is gonna come on for the young guys and they'll settle into their new roles, but in all honesty the only one i have much hope for is gallette. I really like martez, but I'm afraid he'll be another in a long line of shoulda/coulda/woulda defensive players we've drafted over the last decade or so. This coming year is make or break for him as a saint, I believe. Same for Jenkins and Hawthorne. Smith's tank is running on fumes, Greer is starting to show his age, P rob is a disappointment, same for johnny p, harper..as much as I really do appreciate the guy and his skillset..he doesn't fit into spags' d. We need our secondary to be able to cover, and you can say what you want, as your constant defense of him is kinda heart-warming, but he is a liability in coverage.. I do agree with what you've said about our defense only needing a few key pickups to be good, because it doesn't take 11 pro bowlers, just a couple of impact players with a decent supporting cast. I think we have enough, or very close to it, to make up the supporting cast. We absolutely must score an impact edge rusher in April though, otherwise I can easily see us struggling again next year on d

What I saw more often than not was people woefully out of position. Our guys wandered around confused, it appeared to me. You can't put square pegs into round holes, and if the head defensive coach can't see this and for whatever reason refuses to accept it, then there's your biggest problem.

In my opinion.

I agree with Danno. I think we've got talent on defense and I think it has been horribly misused.

He needs to be added to the black monday list. The worst D ever??? there is NOTHING you can say that supports his need to say. Bounty gate, SP not being around, yadi yadi. Dude has got to go. A coachs responsibility is to make it work with what you got.

We had the worst D in the History of the NFL...period

Boot his ass to the curb sean!!

thoughts???