Danno

Agreed. We have plenty of talent on defense. Not one player is "horrible" or "garbage".

We have a few below average players, but no more than most teams.

Our main problem, as you pointed out, is square pegs in round holes which is 100% on the coaches.

As far as talent goes our main problem is we have a roster full of average to above average players, but no elite, excellent, gamebreaker, difference maker, or whatever you wanna call em. We don't have a Clay Matthews, Ray Lewis, JJ Watts, Ngata, Willis, Reed, Polomalu, Suggs, Ware, type player on this team.

But to say all of our players are Garbage is total assinine bullcrap. Sorry if it offends anyone but I call it like I see it. Thats nonsense.

frydaddy

I think we have talent too. I also think we have too many guys on the decline and a few busts on that side of the ball, and the talent we have is not enough to make up for it

Mardigras9

It's the D-players, not the coach. Let Payton come back and see what Spags and he can do together.

SloMotion

IDK, you can't bring in a new DC every year. Coaching carousels are never in the best interest of a team.

Who is in a better position to evaluate the current defense and recommend player/personnel changes in order to affect real change? Spags or a new face?

Mardigras9

You got to love a voice of reason, thanks Slo-mo.

saintfan

alleycat_126

Where do I begin, the worst d in the league thing is way overblown, yes historically statistically bad, but we have known since the loss in Seattle that we needed an overhaul, and chose not to do it. Here is the consequence, you can't just throw him on the stake for everything that's wrong defensively with this team without giving him a significant amount of time to effectively correct the problem.

I think you will see enough significant change on this team defensively next season to tell whether spags can get it done. You got Ellis coming off the team, will smith, Scott Shane, maybe Jon Vilma, a full defensive draft, and free agency with your head coach available so the issues that plagued us defensively this season should be rectified, if not then you can call for his head....... You wanna fire somebody how bout you fire the special teams coach, worst starting field position in the league, giving up big kickoff and punt returns all season.

TheEnigma

We need to keep Spags around. What we REALLY NEED to do is get rid of these clowns on defense like Sedrick Ellis and Patrick Robinson who have not helped out.

burningmetal

I don't buy into the learning curve excuse, either. I think it makes a difference, but not enough to cause the worst defense ever. He definitely didn't do anything to help us, but our secondary was absolutely atrocious. To me, that's on the players themselves. I don't know how many times I saw Patrick Robinson running step for step with a WR, and then just suddenly stop. That's plain idiotic. Our safeties are everywhere the ball isn't. Jabari Greer got burned an alarming amount, and for the first time really looked as short as he is. QB's figured out that they could throw that fade every time and Jabari just didn't have the hops to compete with all these 6' 4" receivers. And lastly, Johnny Patrick looks exactly like P-Rob when he's out there.

I know our pass rush sucks, but your secondary has to be competent, at the very least. Give Spags one more chance, but that's it. We need a dominant pass rusher, at least one shutdown corner, and also, at least one decent safety. That wouldn't be enough to make us very good on D, but it would hopefully make us good enough.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

onebyone

I don't want to personally put my foot to his arse and kick him out myself like I did Williams. However, I wouldn't be too terribly sad if I didn't see him on the sidelines again. He may have been great with the Giants, but we aren't the Giants. Coach accordingly.

I know he used to do nice stuff for you, but what has he done for you lately?