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That we do not get another first round bust. For goodness sakes our entire D line are first rounders. (Although I don't think Cam Jordan is a bust) he just needs help. Will Smith was good in his prime. But Ellis, P Rob, Jenkins, Bunkley, (although he had Dummerville in Denver). But please I hope we don't get another bust.

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There just aren't any guarantees.
Players may flash and then never flame again.
It's more difficult than it seems to translate college success to the big league.
I just want to see some solid, disciplined play.
Have coaches KNOW what they can count on week to week and then patch the rest.
We were like a box of chocolates.
I'm with you iWhoDat!
I hope the draft and FA works to solidify next season.
Scoring +20 needs to be a win EVERY week.

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I hope and pray that Sean can find all of those notes he's been making. There will be a lot of them. He may need a U-Haul.LOL :wink:

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Bunkley is a very good NT, not a bust.
Will Smith was OK but obviously declining.
Ellis isn't a bust, he's simply average (overpaid)
Jordan looks very good, the definition of "not a bust".

I don't think we understand the term BUST. A bust is a guy picked high in the draft thats out of the league in 3 years.

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I agree with all your points except the bit about sedrick Ellis

When you pick a player with the 8th pick in the first round, average is not good enough, nothing short of being good is acceptable when he was that good in college
The fact that he seems like a below average player makes me think he's a bust, especially when he held out for more money (even though that was his agents move)

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I guess it depends on your definition of bust.

To me, busts are Jonathan Sullivan, Ryan Leaf, Alex Molden, etc... not someone who was somewhat productive for 4 or 5 years in the league.

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Its all a shot in the dark.

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Semantics

How bout we agree that we "hope and pray" for a player that lives up to the potential that got him drafted in the 1st round.

When was the last time the Saints drafted a 1st rounder that was an impact player right out of the gate? Bush? Jenkins? I think Jammal Brown was the last Saints first rounder that's been to a Probowl.

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It seems to be for us. We have had much better luck with late round draft picks. They need to dedicate to defense for the draft and not "best player available" this year.

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Not in the last 5 years...
2012 4 122 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
2012 5 162 Corey White DB Samford
2012 6 179 Andrew Tiller G Syracuse
2012 7 234 Marcel Jones T Nebraska
2011 7 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
2011 7 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2010 4 123 Al Woods DT Louisiana State
2010 5 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
2010 7 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2009 4 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest
2009 4 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest
2009 5 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
2008 5 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
2008 5 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska
2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
2008 7 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan

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I say reach down there in the 5th-7th round prediction range, and draft him in the first. That should shake the whole thing up like a Jinga tower coming down, and he'll probably be awesome also!

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You don't think picking Nicks and Morestead (2 pro bowl players and arguably the best at their position in the league respectively) is the definition of late round drafting success? I have no issue with our 2007 onward late drafting just based on those 2 picks. Rounds 5+ generally produce guys who don't end up playing in the league or journeymen players on average. Any "hit" for a pro bowler is a great draft.

But as for the initial topic, with the first round pick we definitely need to hit on an impact player. We have had some successful 1st rounders and some not so successful but are overdue for a top player selection in that round. We could sure you a guy who would define our defense for the next 10 years.

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Two out of 16 picks? No, I don't consider that having late round success at all.

10 of those guys aren't even in the league anymore and it ain't looking good for 2 or 3 others.

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Danno thanks you for this. Great job.

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Really. Not being argumentative, but I consider it successful for sure based on the isolated elite success. Sure you want more depth players and the odd starter but show me another team with two pro bowlers in round 5 or later in the last 5 years. Perhaps it happens more but I would doubt it. Let alone two guys that as I said before are arguably the best at the position in the league.

And why not add the first Payton year 2006 to the mix too and the undrafted rookies. You throw Colston, PT, Ivory, Strief (may not be great but a starter), Evans (another one of the best), Cadet, Bushrod....

I think overall we've been one of the better late round drafting teams in the coach/GM's tenure across the league. And I believe he was a 4th but Jimmy Graham was a hell of a talent evaluation. I have no issue with how this team has utilized it's later round selections. The draft is a crap shoot at best let alone when you start getting into selections 150 players into a draft.

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Jordan is emerging as a very good d-end. Jenkins should never have been drafted to play safety either, he was a cornerback and I think that's where he would be most effective.

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Graham was a 3rd, and you're including a Punter we gave up two picks for?

I think the last 5 years shows we haven't been that good drafting in the late rounds. Carl Nicks and a punter... out of 16 picks? I'm not impressed at all. I think 2006 is skewing everyone's opinion about our late round success.

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Hear ya frustration. For sure we don't want busts. Waste of energy, time, and money.

But guys like Brodrick Bunkley ain't busts.