I hope and pray...

iWho_Dat · 01-01-2013, 10:11 PM

That we do not get another first round bust. For goodness sakes our entire D line are first rounders. (Although I don't think Cam Jordan is a bust) he just needs help. Will Smith was good in his prime. But Ellis, P Rob, Jenkins, Bunkley, (although he had Dummerville in Denver). But please I hope we don't get another bust.

darstep · 01-01-2013, 10:35 PM

There just aren't any guarantees.
Players may flash and then never flame again.
It's more difficult than it seems to translate college success to the big league.
I just want to see some solid, disciplined play.
Have coaches KNOW what they can count on week to week and then patch the rest.
We were like a box of chocolates.
I'm with you iWhoDat!
I hope the draft and FA works to solidify next season.
Scoring +20 needs to be a win EVERY week.

Rugby Saint II · 01-04-2013, 03:28 PM

I hope and pray that Sean can find all of those notes he's been making. There will be a lot of them. He may need a U-Haul.LOL

Danno · 01-04-2013, 03:34 PM

Bunkley is a very good NT, not a bust.
Will Smith was OK but obviously declining.
Ellis isn't a bust, he's simply average (overpaid)
Jordan looks very good, the definition of "not a bust".

I don't think we understand the term BUST. A bust is a guy picked high in the draft thats out of the league in 3 years.

dizzle88 · 01-04-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Bunkley is a very good NT, not a bust.
Will Smith was OK but obviously declining.
Ellis isn't a bust, he's simply average (overpaid)
Jordan looks very good, the definition of "not a bust".

I don't think we understand the term BUST. A bust is a guy picked high in the draft thats out of the league in 3 years.

I agree with all your points except the bit about sedrick Ellis

When you pick a player with the 8th pick in the first round, average is not good enough, nothing short of being good is acceptable when he was that good in college
The fact that he seems like a below average player makes me think he's a bust, especially when he held out for more money (even though that was his agents move)

Danno · 01-04-2013, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I agree with all your points except the bit about sedrick Ellis

When you pick a player with the 8th pick in the first round, average is not good enough, nothing short of being good is acceptable when he was that good in college
The fact that he seems like a below average player makes me think he's a bust, especially when he held out for more money (even though that was his agents move)

I guess it depends on your definition of bust.

To me, busts are Jonathan Sullivan, Ryan Leaf, Alex Molden, etc... not someone who was somewhat productive for 4 or 5 years in the league.

QBREES9 · 01-04-2013, 04:00 PM

Its all a shot in the dark.

Utah_Saint · 01-04-2013, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I guess it depends on your definition of bust.

To me, busts are Jonathan Sullivan, Ryan Leaf, Alex Molden, etc... not someone who was somewhat productive for 4 or 5 years in the league.

Semantics

How bout we agree that we "hope and pray" for a player that lives up to the potential that got him drafted in the 1st round.

When was the last time the Saints drafted a 1st rounder that was an impact player right out of the gate? Bush? Jenkins? I think Jammal Brown was the last Saints first rounder that's been to a Probowl.

Mardigras9 · 01-04-2013, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Its all a shot in the dark.

It seems to be for us. We have had much better luck with late round draft picks. They need to dedicate to defense for the draft and not "best player available" this year.

Danno · 01-04-2013, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

It seems to be for us. We have had much better luck with late round draft picks. They need to dedicate to defense for the draft and not "best player available" this year.

Not in the last 5 years...
2012 4 122 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
2012 5 162 Corey White DB Samford
2012 6 179 Andrew Tiller G Syracuse
2012 7 234 Marcel Jones T Nebraska
2011 7 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
2011 7 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2010 4 123 Al Woods DT Louisiana State
2010 5 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
2010 7 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2009 4 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest
2009 4 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest
2009 5 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
2008 5 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
2008 5 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska
2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
2008 7 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan

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iWho_Dat 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 247	I hope and pray... That we do not get another first round bust. For goodness sakes our entire D line are first rounders. (Although I don't think Cam Jordan is a bust) he just needs help. Will Smith was good in his prime. But Ellis, P Rob, Jenkins, Bunkley, (although he had Dummerville in Denver). But please I hope we don't get another bust. Utah_Saint likes this.
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01-01-2013, 10:35 PM	#2
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: I hope and pray... There just aren't any guarantees. Players may flash and then never flame again. It's more difficult than it seems to translate college success to the big league. I just want to see some solid, disciplined play. Have coaches KNOW what they can count on week to week and then patch the rest. We were like a box of chocolates. I'm with you iWhoDat! I hope the draft and FA works to solidify next season. Scoring +20 needs to be a win EVERY week.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: I hope and pray... I hope and pray that Sean can find all of those notes he's been making. There will be a lot of them. He may need a U-Haul.LOL

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: I hope and pray... Bunkley is a very good NT, not a bust. Will Smith was OK but obviously declining. Ellis isn't a bust, he's simply average (overpaid) Jordan looks very good, the definition of "not a bust". I don't think we understand the term BUST. A bust is a guy picked high in the draft thats out of the league in 3 years. Utah_Saint likes this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by Danno Bunkley is a very good NT, not a bust. Will Smith was OK but obviously declining. Ellis isn't a bust, he's simply average (overpaid) Jordan looks very good, the definition of "not a bust". I don't think we understand the term BUST. A bust is a guy picked high in the draft thats out of the league in 3 years. I agree with all your points except the bit about sedrick Ellis When you pick a player with the 8th pick in the first round, average is not good enough, nothing short of being good is acceptable when he was that good in college The fact that he seems like a below average player makes me think he's a bust, especially when he held out for more money (even though that was his agents move)

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01-04-2013, 03:53 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by dizzle88 I agree with all your points except the bit about sedrick Ellis When you pick a player with the 8th pick in the first round, average is not good enough, nothing short of being good is acceptable when he was that good in college The fact that he seems like a below average player makes me think he's a bust, especially when he held out for more money (even though that was his agents move) I guess it depends on your definition of bust. To me, busts are Jonathan Sullivan, Ryan Leaf, Alex Molden, etc... not someone who was somewhat productive for 4 or 5 years in the league.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: I hope and pray... Its all a shot in the dark.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by Danno I guess it depends on your definition of bust. To me, busts are Jonathan Sullivan, Ryan Leaf, Alex Molden, etc... not someone who was somewhat productive for 4 or 5 years in the league. Semantics How bout we agree that we "hope and pray" for a player that lives up to the potential that got him drafted in the 1st round. When was the last time the Saints drafted a 1st rounder that was an impact player right out of the gate? Bush? Jenkins? I think Jammal Brown was the last Saints first rounder that's been to a Probowl. dizzle88 likes this.

01-04-2013, 04:34 PM	#9
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by QBREES9 Its all a shot in the dark. It seems to be for us. We have had much better luck with late round draft picks. They need to dedicate to defense for the draft and not "best player available" this year.

01-04-2013, 04:58 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by Mardigras9 It seems to be for us. We have had much better luck with late round draft picks. They need to dedicate to defense for the draft and not "best player available" this year. Not in the last 5 years... 2012 4 122 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 2012 5 162 Corey White DB Samford 2012 6 179 Andrew Tiller G Syracuse 2012 7 234 Marcel Jones T Nebraska 2011 7 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh 2011 7 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois 2010 4 123 Al Woods DT Louisiana State 2010 5 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College 2010 7 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State 2009 4 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest 2009 4 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest 2009 5 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist 2008 5 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State 2008 5 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska 2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin 2008 7 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan

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