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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal Obviously we need better players, but have you not noticed how hard it is to run against a 3-4? There seems to be something about having 4 linebackers running upfield with a head of steam that ...
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Originally Posted by burningmetal
As a former LT Personally I love playing against a 3-4 because its so easy to run against... ...but that migh be just my personal experience.![]()
But football and schemes are really simple, the guy who holds the pen last wins. Atleast when you talk and compare a scheme against another, every offense or defence has got flaws and holes you can attack. When you don't have great players you have to be fundamentally sound to begin with. If you can run, throw, catch, tackle & block really well you will cover a whol lot of physical flaws. Then you have to be creative in the scheme your players are suited for. |
W.T. Sherman is my favorite General. After all he did order Atlanta to be burned to the ground.
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Originally Posted by Crusader
I understand the basics of football. You're not telling me anything I don't know, but I appreciate it all the same.![]()
What I'm saying is that having that extra linebacker is very hard to handle, because they have more speed. If we had Joe Johnson, La'Roi Glover, Norman Hand and Darren Howard again, that would be great. But we don't, so I'd like to see a change in philosophy and see how we could do in a 3-4. I'm not sure who you went up against as a LT, but based on what I've seen in the NFL, it doesn't look so easy. I'm not saying you're right or wrong. I'm saying I'm sick of 15 years of football that have produced maybe two good defenses, all with the same basic scheme. There have been variations, of course, but not much. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Well it's all based on your talent. If you look at the top 10 defenses stat wise this year you have 5 teams that run 3-4 and 5 teams that run 4-3.
We don't have 3 good LB's how will we come up with 4? |
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Originally Posted by Budsdrinker
Again, it's not about how good the players are. Everyone wants good players, everyone needs good players. But how do you get the most out of whatever you have? We've tried 4-3 for a million years in a row.![]()
And of the top 10 defenses, how many 3-4's were in the top 5? Top 10 isn't dominant. When I say the best, I mean the best. We have a couple pretty decent linebackers in Lofton and Hawthorne, and I think Martez Wilson would do well as one of those hybrid DE/OLB's that you see in a 3-4. How many good defensive linemen do we have? |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Originally Posted by burningmetal
Actually only two 3-4 defenses were in the top 5. Pittsburg and 49ers.![]()
Denver, Seattle and Bears run 4-3. |
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Originally Posted by Budsdrinker
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And Denver was in their first year of converting from a 3-4 to a 4-3, so I guess that would support the argument that you can successfully change schemes from one year to another and not lose a step in the process?! |
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Originally Posted by Budsdrinker
Denver has superstars on their defense. And very few teams ever run the 3-4. Why is it that those who do, are so highly ranked? I've well said that you can be successful with great players under any system, but I'm more impressed with coordinators who can make any group of players at least decent. With four linebackers, you can cover more people over the middle, and you can move them up when necessary. There isn't much size difference between an outside linebacker and a defensive end.![]()
You seem to believe that defensive rankings from one season mean that my point means nothing, when the fact is that almost no one runs anything but a 4-3 anymore. And it is my opinion that this should change, unless we come up with some great players real soon. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Originally Posted by burningmetal
Green Bay isn't highly ranked, the cowgirls aren't highly ranked and they run 3-4 scheme. Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight here but if our current defensive players can't learn Spag's zone scheme, they damn sure can't learn 3-4 schemes which employ some of the same zone schemes. First off, who are the 4 LB's?![]()
Vilma couldn't play the 3-4 for the Jets that's how we got him. Lofton is a MLB also. Your LB's have to be able to rush the passer and also play coverage. The idea of the 3-4 is that you can change up the LB that blitzs so they have to be fast and strong. I don't think we have any LB's that fit that description. We also don't have a NT to take a double team. What would be our line up? I just don't think we have the personnel to switch to a 3-4. |
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Originally Posted by TreyThomas
Nice post. What site do you find these grades on?
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Re: Problems with Defensive Tackles
Depends... not every team has a Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil.
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