Jonathan Vilma takes issue with Steve Spagnuolo report: 'We're not the Jets'

01-02-2013, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

...And it's someone who liked Greg Williams...

...someone who liked things as it was under Williams...

...hmmm...

My vote goes to Ellis... His playing time was drastically cut as the season progressed and he did absolutely nothing; did he even record a tackle this season?!

Utah_Saint · 01-02-2013, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

My vote goes to Ellis... His playing time was drastically cut as the season progressed and he did absolutely nothing; did he even record a tackle this season?!

Thing is, his snap count didn't really go down compared to the other DT's. Despite being constantly ranked the worst DT on the Saints, he had almost 300 more snaps than the next most frequently used DT, Tom Johnson. 719 snaps for Ellis as compared with 431 to Johnson.

If anything, Ellis should be Spag's biggest supporter. Steve S. might be Ellis' biggest, if not only, supporter.

saintsfan1976 · 01-02-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

From the statement(s), we may deduce that the player in question is not one of the recent acquisitions that has not played under Williams, ruling out...

Broderick Bunkley
Curtis Lofton
David Hawthorne
Akiem Hicks
Elbert Mack
Rafael Bush
Chris Chamberlain
Jerico Nelson

so that would leave...

Will Smith
Roman Harper
Scott Shanle
Jonathan Vilma
Sedrick Ellis
Jabari Greer
Malcolm Jenkins
Jonathan Casillas
Junior Galette
Patrick Robinson
Johnny Patrick

Unless Vilma is a passive agressive, we would rule him out...

And Scott Shanle did not have kind comments for William's system or methods last season...

...And it's someone who liked Greg Williams...

...someone who liked things as it was under Williams...

...hmmm...

Jenkins seems to be in a position that requires the most "thought". He was also most always out of position.

Harper? No he was bad last year too...

Ellis? sure, he has nothing to lose.

Smith? Doubt it. He loves being in new orleans, wouldn't risk it.

frankeefrank · 01-02-2013, 11:35 PM

KUDOS Jonathan
This is the kind of leadership that was missing when he was suspended/hurt early this year. I hope we find a way to hang on to him. I don't think he is the problem.

burningmetal · 01-03-2013, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

The defense anyway ... these guys need to get it together and knock this stuff off ... they sound as bad as the Lions for crissake!

It's understandable a few guys are gonna' lose their jobs next season, no need to act like junior high school girls and cry to the press, .

Nothing pisses me off more than dissention among the ranks, . Nip that stuff in the bud right off, before it spreads.

I agree, though I wouldn't say our defense is acting like the Jets are Lions. It's just one guy, as far as we know. Others might not like Spags, who knows, but at least the rest of them have kept their mouths shut.

crawgator · 01-03-2013, 09:18 AM

I see it this way, Spags doesn't tackle, and either do our players. How many times did our players miss tackles in games that allowed big yardage. You can't blame that on the coach. The Coach don't cover receivers or backs, and with what I saw all year neither did our Defensive backs. Roman Harper blew so many coverages, as did Malcom Jenkins. Our corner backs couldn't cover a rock if it was standing still. Linebackers were hurt most of the year, and our defensive line got no penetration all year. So maybe get rid of the Coordinator, But I think we need to revamp our whole defensive personel.

Rugby Saint II · 01-03-2013, 12:15 PM

I hope the veterans have a soap and sock party with the anonymous source.

QBREES9 · 01-04-2013, 09:24 AM

I'm bothered you reported it. We're not the Jets who run to the media for everything."

Do your job !

SloMotion · 01-04-2013, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I agree, though I wouldn't say our defense is acting like the Jets are Lions. It's just one guy, as far as we know. Others might not like Spags, who knows, but at least the rest of them have kept their mouths shut.

Yeah, that's true, it's an isolated incident of drama and not runaway drama yet,

.

01-02-2013, 06:29 PM	#31
Threaded by \|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by jeanpierre ...And it's someone who liked Greg Williams... ...someone who liked things as it was under Williams... ...hmmm... My vote goes to Ellis... His playing time was drastically cut as the season progressed and he did absolutely nothing; did he even record a tackle this season?!
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01-02-2013, 07:05 PM	#32
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jonathan Vilma takes issue with Steve Spagnuolo report: 'We're not the Jets' Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| My vote goes to Ellis... His playing time was drastically cut as the season progressed and he did absolutely nothing; did he even record a tackle this season?! Thing is, his snap count didn't really go down compared to the other DT's. Despite being constantly ranked the worst DT on the Saints, he had almost 300 more snaps than the next most frequently used DT, Tom Johnson. 719 snaps for Ellis as compared with 431 to Johnson. If anything, Ellis should be Spag's biggest supporter. Steve S. might be Ellis' biggest, if not only, supporter.

01-02-2013, 09:22 PM	#33
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,046 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jonathan Vilma takes issue with Steve Spagnuolo report: 'We're not the Jets' Originally Posted by jeanpierre From the statement(s), we may deduce that the player in question is not one of the recent acquisitions that has not played under Williams, ruling out... Broderick Bunkley Curtis Lofton David Hawthorne Akiem Hicks Elbert Mack Rafael Bush Chris Chamberlain Jerico Nelson so that would leave... Will Smith Roman Harper Scott Shanle Jonathan Vilma Sedrick Ellis Jabari Greer Malcolm Jenkins Jonathan Casillas Junior Galette Patrick Robinson Johnny Patrick Unless Vilma is a passive agressive, we would rule him out... And Scott Shanle did not have kind comments for William's system or methods last season... ...And it's someone who liked Greg Williams... ...someone who liked things as it was under Williams... ...hmmm... Jenkins seems to be in a position that requires the most "thought". He was also most always out of position. Harper? No he was bad last year too... Ellis? sure, he has nothing to lose. Smith? Doubt it. He loves being in new orleans, wouldn't risk it.

01-02-2013, 11:35 PM	#34
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01-03-2013, 01:44 AM	#35
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jonathan Vilma takes issue with Steve Spagnuolo report: 'We're not the Jets' Originally Posted by SloMotion The defense anyway ... these guys need to get it together and knock this stuff off ... they sound as bad as the Lions for crissake! It's understandable a few guys are gonna' lose their jobs next season, no need to act like junior high school girls and cry to the press, . Nothing pisses me off more than dissention among the ranks, . Nip that stuff in the bud right off, before it spreads. I agree, though I wouldn't say our defense is acting like the Jets are Lions. It's just one guy, as far as we know. Others might not like Spags, who knows, but at least the rest of them have kept their mouths shut.

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crawgator 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ridgecrest, Ca Posts: 187 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jonathan Vilma takes issue with Steve Spagnuolo report: 'We're not the Jets' I see it this way, Spags doesn't tackle, and either do our players. How many times did our players miss tackles in games that allowed big yardage. You can't blame that on the coach. The Coach don't cover receivers or backs, and with what I saw all year neither did our Defensive backs. Roman Harper blew so many coverages, as did Malcom Jenkins. Our corner backs couldn't cover a rock if it was standing still. Linebackers were hurt most of the year, and our defensive line got no penetration all year. So maybe get rid of the Coordinator, But I think we need to revamp our whole defensive personel.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: Jonathan Vilma takes issue with Steve Spagnuolo report: 'We're not the Jets' I'm bothered you reported it. We're not the Jets who run to the media for everything." Do your job !

01-04-2013, 11:48 AM	#39
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Jonathan Vilma takes issue with Steve Spagnuolo report: 'We're not the Jets' Originally Posted by burningmetal I agree, though I wouldn't say our defense is acting like the Jets are Lions. It's just one guy, as far as we know. Others might not like Spags, who knows, but at least the rest of them have kept their mouths shut. Yeah, that's true, it's an isolated incident of drama and not runaway drama yet, .

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