Poll: Which Saints player do you think is responsible for complaining about Spagnuolo
 

I originally had Vilma as a choice, but since he basically called out the anonymous player, I replaced him with Will Smith.

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I think it's someone from the secondary, they were most embarrassed this season.

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My vote goes to Roman Harper, a big figure in the Greg Williams defense who was allowed to run up to the line of scrimmage and blitz from time to time, since spags he's not even allowed to tackle.....

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I vote for the player most affected by the upcoming cap nukularization. It will be he who underperformed the most while having the highest salary. Ellis tips my list.

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You may be right in what you are saying about Spags but I can't respect anything your saying when you don't put your name on it. It's just cowardly.

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I voted Will Smith. I figured him or Ellis.

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Well.. and this is only my gut feeling, so whatever.. but I think harper and smith are better men than that. Both have been in the league a while now and they seem like good guys... Until its proven otherwise, I'm pretty sure its Ellis. Seriously underperformed this year after promising a big one and he won't be here next year anyway. So he floats this out to try to save a little face for the sake of a decent contract. It's a punk a** b**** move, and he strikes me as that type.

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I voted for Ellis... He has absolutely no chance of being here next year...

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I picked Ellis just because he sucked the most in relation to what they were paying him, and funnily enough, during the preseason Ellis made those positive comments about Spags' scheme finally allowing the D-linemen to play a more simple game and get after the QB, which wasn't the case under GW according to him.

I wonder where he ends up playing next year and for what type of compensation?!

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I vote sedrick Ellis

Even though I could see why roman Harper would be displeased, that's not the way roman talks, he's a very down to earth team first person, he knows how we handle things as a team, sedrick Ellis on the other hand is a waste of space

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I chose 'the Patricks', Johnny& Robinson. It's a two-for-one-deal, they're both relatively new to the team, young, in the defensive backfield, had poor seasons and undoubtedly found it hard playing in Spags new system.

Elementary my dear B & G, elementary.

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Add to those thoughts, "been roasted publicly for their play"....

Do I think one of them did it to hurt the team? no

Do I think one of them did it to shirk the blame... Most certainly.

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Whoever it was should be cut from the team anyway, I don't care who

The person who said it is obviously not sold out to be a part of this team, I don't care if it was a first round pick, if they are not willing to play for their team mates and their boss, they should be cut

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not going to point fingers at anyone.
how do you know its a starter?
how do you know its not someone from the practice squad?
everyone disappoints you if you know everything about them.
not doing this.
They're not the Jets and I dont want to vaguely resemble their fans.

Unless Vilma said that as reverse psychology so you would be thrown off the scent.

#conspiracytheoristdetectives

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I think it's someone who didn't see much playing time. Maybe Mcbride.

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<sigh> ... you're right I suppose, we'll have to put the pitchforks & torches back in storage until the culprit is revealed ... it was kinda' fun participating in that mob-mentality while it lasted though, :lol:.

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That's what she said...


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I put down Patrick Robinson, though I think it could easily be Sed Ellis.

I am sticking with P-Rob, though, because he was the most exposed player out there, constantly getting beat and unable to even make a tackle. I can just imagine how much Spags must have lit into him, and he strikes me as the pouting type. I could be wrong, but this is my best guess.

And no one was more excited about drafting Robinson than GW was. He really took that kid under his wing and tried to make him out to be something he clearly isn't. So with this "anonymous" player saying how they all enjoyed GW, that makes me think of none other than P-Rob. He might think of Gregg as a father, or grandfather figure, but nobody should respect that fool. He threw all of his former players under the bus, to save his own neck.

I said in another post that I wouldn't name my suspects until I knew, but for the sake of this poll I couldn't hold back my thoughts. But I don't pretend to KNOW the truth. It's pure speculation, and I'll give all the players the benefit of the doubt until further notice.

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Just doesn't matter, he is the coach and whoever said it is probably gone next year anyway.

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My guess is Jenkins. He sucked this year and has regressed terribly.

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I get that Mike, and agree that unless there was a team meeting and this player was elected spokesman, he cannot speak for the entire locker room.

But, this kind of thing just makes me to damn angry to not want to know who it was. I agree with Slo-Mo. Had to be a young guy. Don't think a veteran would do this.

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WooHoo! The Canucks! Vancouver! The 'Detroit' of the great northwest! Let's play some hockey! :lol:

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Jenkins is not the type of person to ever complain. That just isn't his personality at all.

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Yeah Jenkins is not that type of guy. I do agree with one of the posters that it might be one of the "Patricks".

Johnny Patrick fell off a cliff after GW left and has been beaten badly when ever he was called upon to play.

P-Rob has been burned more than anyone else in the secondary. If it is him though...I say for shame. He has been the involved 95% of the big play TDs we've given up this season. But Spags still puts him out there as a starter every defensive down. He should be grateful he's even playig let alone starting after the perfomances he's put on tape this year.

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Funny tweet from one of the back up DBs Rafael Bush...

@rbush36
The loudest person in the room is the weakest link

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He's not wrong, I like rafael bush he's a good player

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Leads me to believe the "source" came from the secondary

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Sorry brother, not this year. :-(


But here's another great picture from the most recent Vancouver hockey riot:

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Voted someone else cause I think this article was written by someone trying to divide the locker room after this horrible season. I can't think in the last 7 seasons when a player threw a coach under the bus so why would they start now. If this is true then said spineless player needs to be cut now

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Cam Jordan? Lofton?
Forgive my hypocrisy but I'd give these two a do-over if they were the bad guy. Every other D-player is a hard sale.

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I thought it might of been Jenkins, he didnt make much of a play all year except 1 in Tampa Bay.

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Not saying it is this person but you've all missed one player, even the poll missed this player that would have something to gain...


Shanle is done with us, blaming Spags "might" give him an opportunity with another team if he is not ready to retire.

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I'm not certain its a player thats having a bad season. It could be a good player that sees the exact same things we all see, square pegs forced into round holes with no adjustments.

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Adjustments in that capacity have to be addressed in the off season. Also, some times you have to break it before you can fix it.

IMHO going from what GW was doing to anything else involves "breaking bad" as the first step.

Another opinion that I hold is that if they would have just tackled they wouldn't have looked so terrible. 50% less MISSED tackles and they would have been 25th at least.

Tackling is something you exit High School football having been taught. GW teaching them that forcing turnovers instead of tackling is what has caused our problems. I believe when he said put your helmet on the ball he meant "facemask" when making a proper tackle, not diving and trying to put the crown on the ball.

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All you guys with this "square peg, round hole" argument need to give it a rest. It's not like the guy was able to hand pick an entire new core of players to fit his scheme. This ain't your Madden franchise team, it doesn't work like that in the real NFL.. as for "no adjustments" again I wonder just what it is you were expecting? When a coordinator comes in with his own scheme, that is the scheme he's going to run. Most of the so-called talent at his disposal were GW's guys who fit GW'S scheme, thats not his fault. Neither is it his fault that we didn't (and still don't) have the cap room to bring in the personnel he needs. I think he did make adjustments as much as he could and I believe that's part of the reason there was some improvement on d. I think what you guys are talking about is not adjustments, but a friggin overhaul of the scheme during the season. Well, here in the real world, you know, where its not a video game, that is basically impossible. It takes an entire offseason and then some to install a scheme. You can't just throw your hands up and say "oh well, that didn't work. Let's try plan b". There's no plan b during the season.

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Could this just be media driven BS?

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I disagree. A competent coordinator will adjust his shemes to fit his players strengths. Those that don't usually get bad results, like the worst defense in NFL history.

Mike Nolan is a 3-4 guru. Did he force his 3-4 on the Falcons? No, he adjusted his scheme to fit the personnel on the team.

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I agree with your sentiment, but just to be clear about something - Nolan was told before he took the job that the Failclowns would stay with the base 4-3 and wouldn't be converting into a 3-4, so that was never an option for Nolan.