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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by xan I will stipulate that there were many problems on the team. However, Brees had full authority and license to call plays and/or change plays at the line. Some of the "abandoning the run" falls to him, ...

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Old 01-09-2013, 06:39 AM   #1
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Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012

Originally Posted by xan View Post
I will stipulate that there were many problems on the team.

However,

Brees had full authority and license to call plays and/or change plays at the line. Some of the "abandoning the run" falls to him, as does misreading defenses and calling plays that fail.

15 of 19 interceptions were his bad throws or bad decisions, the others bad luck. The 4 pick-6s were all unforced errors, and each were fatal in those games.

Not that QBR is the end-all of performance metrics, but:

2011 - 1 game under 50, 3 total games under 70 (2 of 3 losses), averaging 84.0 (2nd)
2012 - 7 games under 50 (all losses), averaging 67.9 (9th)

Pretty clear, if he doesn't play like the highest paid player in the league, Saints don't win. For almost half the season, he didn't crack the top 25 best QBs.

You sink that much resource into one guy, he better deliver, no excuses.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:37 AM   #2
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Disagreeing with the facts? or the conclusion. IF the conclusion is wrong, what facts mitigate the suckitude directly attributable to poor individual performance?

Or are you saying that there is no relation to value to performance, which extends to the conclusion that every Saint be paid $100 million?

2012 was a guaranteed $40 million year for Brees, which, incidentally, was the highest payout in history.

Mr. Brees' Performance, by game (passing defense rating):

Week 1 - 24th (Skins - 30th)
Week 2 - 22nd (Panties - 13th)
Week 3 - 27th (Freaking Chiefs - 12th)
Week 4 - 8th (GB - 11th)
Week 5 - 4th (Bolts - his only comeback win - 18th)
Week 6 - Bye
Week 7 - 2nd (Bucs - 32nd)
Week 8 - 23rd (Broncos - 4th)
Week 9 - 5th (Beagles - 9th)
Week 10- 10th (Clowns - 23rd)
Week 11- 2nd (Raiders - 20th)
Week 12- 21st (Whiners - 3rd)
Week 13- 27th (Clowns - 23rd)
Week 14- 15th (Gmen - 28th)
Week 15- 7th (Bucs - 32nd)
Week 16- 6th (Cowgirls - 19th)
Week 17- 9th (Panties - 13th)

Look, I get we sported the worst defense in the HISTORY OF THE NFL in terms of yardage allowed. But it wasn't the worst in scoring allowed by a long shot. The offense just wasn't very good, and the mistakes made were baffling. We had more 3-outs in the first 7 games of 2012 than we did all 2011 season. We had healthy running backs and a healthy OL, and veterans with at least 3 years starting experience at every position, all but one starter having played with the Saints those 3 seasons.

This wasn't a talent breakdown, this was a leadership/decision-making breakdown. It's not all on Brees, but bad decisions by quarterbacks have a more insidious effect on a team than do mistakes by other position players.

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Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012

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This wasn't a talent breakdown, this was a leadership/decision-making breakdown. It's not all on Brees, but bad decisions by quarterbacks have a more insidious effect on a team than do mistakes by other position players.
It baffles me that people think that something all the sudden happened and Drew became different and made worse decisions...just because it happened and there was no reason. When you see a pick in the game stats, you don't see the D-Lineman grabbing hold to his jersey...or in his face making him not being able to step completely into his throw.

I contend that the protection breakdown...or the poor O-line play in general...lead to not only the decrease in Drew's protection but the RB's production as well.

I know that we lost at least one all-pro lineman...FOR WHATEVER REASON..and it seemed obvious to me that Drew was no different than he ever was but the way the offense went about it's business definitely was.

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