New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?”

TheOak · 01-11-2013, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Supertek

Smith, Vilma, Ellis, Harper all need to go for sure and others as well. The only defensive player I see as a lock is Lofton

Lofton
Jordan
Galette

Locks

Jamessr · 01-11-2013, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Lofton
Jordan
Galette

Locks

I agree but I still like a healthy Vilma. Which he should be....

Rugby Saint II · 01-11-2013, 11:22 AM

Please please please Lord don't let Smith restructure and stay.
Amen

RaginCajun83 · 01-11-2013, 11:28 AM

Smith needs to go, he should of been cut after the 2010 season. I'd like to see a healthy Vilma next to Lofton. Hope he restructures but not it could be time to cut ties with him as well

UK_WhoDat · 01-12-2013, 01:38 PM

Smith is a goner.

See how the others playout but do not mess up Lofton or Bunkley

Danno · 01-12-2013, 02:06 PM

Every one of those guys will likely be asked to return at a lower salary, which will probably be at market value.

Smith, Harper, Vilma and Ellis do not suck, they just aren't nearly as good as their 2013 salary. All 4 know it and would be fools to not listen to counter offers by Loomis.

I'd wager 3 of those 4 are back here next year.

Mardigras9 · 01-14-2013, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Every one of those guys will likely be asked to return at a lower salary, which will probably be at market value.

Smith, Harper, Vilma and Ellis do not suck, they just aren't nearly as good as their 2013 salary. All 4 know it and would be fools to not listen to counter offers by Loomis.

I'd wager 3 of those 4 are back here next year.

Agree with you 100% here.

Seer1 · 01-13-2013, 07:59 PM

Maybe we should ask some teams, "Brothers can you spare a DC or two?"

Halo · 01-13-2013, 08:17 PM

Remember, Payton Manning was the highest paid player in the NFL not so long ago. Every season after that billing he restructured to make concessions for salary cap.

Danno · 01-14-2013, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Remember, Payton Manning was the highest paid player in the NFL not so long ago. Every season after that billing he restructured to make concessions for salary cap.

True, and don't forget...Restructuring simply means re-arranging the money. Its almost always benefits the player by converting more and more of their yearly contract to up front bonus which goes into their bank account as the ink dries on the new contract.

Players benefit from re-structuring. Owners, not so much.

In a case like Vilma, thats not the typical re-structure. Thats gonna be asking the man to re-negotiate his value since his contract now exceeds his market-value by a wide margin.

He's faced with renegotiating more toward market value or forcing the team to release him and then he can negotiate with all 32 teams. I think Vilma's happy here so I'd imagine he'd likely want to return if we offer him fair market value.

01-11-2013, 10:15 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Originally Posted by Supertek Smith, Vilma, Ellis, Harper all need to go for sure and others as well. The only defensive player I see as a lock is Lofton Lofton Jordan Galette Locks

01-11-2013, 11:00 AM	#2
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Originally Posted by TheOak Lofton Jordan Galette Locks I agree but I still like a healthy Vilma. Which he should be....

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,182	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Please please please Lord don't let Smith restructure and stay. Amen

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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Smith needs to go, he should of been cut after the 2010 season. I'd like to see a healthy Vilma next to Lofton. Hope he restructures but not it could be time to cut ties with him as well

01-12-2013, 01:38 PM	#5
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,004	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Smith is a goner. See how the others playout but do not mess up Lofton or Bunkley

01-12-2013, 02:06 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Every one of those guys will likely be asked to return at a lower salary, which will probably be at market value. Smith, Harper, Vilma and Ellis do not suck, they just aren't nearly as good as their 2013 salary. All 4 know it and would be fools to not listen to counter offers by Loomis. I'd wager 3 of those 4 are back here next year.

01-14-2013, 08:11 AM	#7
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Originally Posted by Danno Every one of those guys will likely be asked to return at a lower salary, which will probably be at market value. Smith, Harper, Vilma and Ellis do not suck, they just aren't nearly as good as their 2013 salary. All 4 know it and would be fools to not listen to counter offers by Loomis. I'd wager 3 of those 4 are back here next year. Agree with you 100% here.

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,902 Blog Entries: 45	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Remember, Payton Manning was the highest paid player in the NFL not so long ago. Every season after that billing he restructured to make concessions for salary cap. Danno and TheOak like this.

01-14-2013, 08:07 AM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: New Orleans Saints will ask some players, “Brother can you spare a million or two?” Originally Posted by Halo Remember, Payton Manning was the highest paid player in the NFL not so long ago. Every season after that billing he restructured to make concessions for salary cap. True, and don't forget...Restructuring simply means re-arranging the money. Its almost always benefits the player by converting more and more of their yearly contract to up front bonus which goes into their bank account as the ink dries on the new contract. Players benefit from re-structuring. Owners, not so much. In a case like Vilma, thats not the typical re-structure. Thats gonna be asking the man to re-negotiate his value since his contract now exceeds his market-value by a wide margin. He's faced with renegotiating more toward market value or forcing the team to release him and then he can negotiate with all 32 teams. I think Vilma's happy here so I'd imagine he'd likely want to return if we offer him fair market value.

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