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WhoDat!656 01-15-2013 05:13 AM

ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
This is actually something I’d expect to hear from the likes of Mr. Skip Bayless. Colin Cowherd isn’t a stranger to his dubious opinions at times, but they are after all his opinions.

On Cowherd’s afternoon radio show on ESPN ‘The Herd’ he spent a lot of time heaping praise on rookie QB Russell Wilson. And to his credit, Wilson deserves that praise, despite the loss, but he’s had a remarkable season. Cowherd decided to one up all others by flat out proclaiming that Russell Wilson has now elevated himself to a top 5 Quarterback in the NFL, even better in some regards than Drew Brees.

I don’t know why I have to wait to say that I think the guy is a top 5-6 Quarterback in the League…He’s Drew Brees, with a better arm and better feet.

ESPN

Vrillon82 01-15-2013 05:47 AM

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If Russel Wilson was better, he would of scored in the first half of the Seattle/Atl game.

Problem with guys like Kaepernick and Wilson is they only good for 1 hit wonders like Vick and Scam Newton.

SaintPauly 01-15-2013 06:19 AM

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Cowturd is a complete idiot.... He should stay out of New Orleans too...

dizzle88 01-15-2013 06:44 AM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
Count the records brees owns after being told he only had a 25% chance he'd ever play again
Count the Super Bowl wins and the fact that brees has carried this team for the last 3 years when our D had been pathetic

Beastmode 01-15-2013 06:51 AM

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I have a feeling both shows will be cancelled soon. Their ratings have dropped like a safe in the ocean.

papz 01-15-2013 07:02 AM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
It's what Cowherd does. He makes absurd points for attention and promote the show. Bad press is good press for him. Don't do him the honor and respond to his garbage.

He's the definition of a troll.

SmashMouth 01-15-2013 07:02 AM

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Uhhh... that's premature e ... er.... reporting. There is plenty of time before we can start making comparisons.

burningmetal 01-15-2013 07:31 AM

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I'm not sure if Russell Wilson is even a top 10 QB, yet. He was efficient enough in the things he was asked to do, and he was easily an upgrade to anything they've had since Matt Hasselbeck, in his prime. But that is a pound it out offense, and Marshawn Lynch had a really, really good year. I had no idea Lynch was capable of that kind of season, after all his previous under achievements.

I don't see Wilson being able to carry an offense without a complimentary running game, and the truly elite QB's have to be able to do that. People like cowturd are really overreacting to the fact that these rookie QB's were able to get into the playoffs. It is a team game however. These guys have a long way to go, to be elite.

neugey 01-15-2013 07:54 AM

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Cowherd needs to lay off the crack and pay more attention to Michelle Beadle's crack.

Budsdrinker 01-15-2013 08:11 AM

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Wilson was impressive this year but it is too early to call him a top 5 QB.
There wasn't much film on him this year so we will see what he does next year after defenses get to look at this year's film. You do have to give him credit though, it's not like he has great receivers.

Jamessr 01-15-2013 08:15 AM

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That's fine when Drew Brees has 5k+ passing 40ish TD (and yes 9ish interceptions) going into the super bowl he'll be back in the mix.

guady yardage whores next year...

saintsfan403 01-15-2013 08:17 AM

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Just...too dumb.

SloMotion 01-15-2013 08:19 AM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
Oh brother, :rolleyes: It's nothing more than Cowherd having a school-girl infatuation with a rookie QB. That's the problem with these guys on ESPN, they just run with the stupidest stories. How 'bout letting him play a few years in the league before we start comparing him to the best in the league, eh Colin?

jeanpierre 01-15-2013 08:32 AM

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And Joe Flacco is the best quarterback in the universe...

(Sarcasm)

Jamessr 01-15-2013 08:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 472479)
And Joe Flacco is the best quarterback in the universe...

Sorry 18/36 in that last game isn't the best QB. Joe Flacco is good/average

Danno 01-15-2013 08:38 AM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 472435)
It's what Cowherd does. He makes absurd points for attention and promote the show. Bad press is good press for him. Don't do him the honor and respond to his garbage.

He's the definition of a troll.

Couldn't have said it better.

Cowherd wants you to be angry at him.

UK_WhoDat 01-15-2013 09:55 AM

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Is ESPN a call-in show?
Maybe he is trying to drum up responses.

QBREES9 01-15-2013 12:05 PM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
Boy that just shows how dumb he is. Boy are you dumb.

ClintSaints 01-15-2013 12:40 PM

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Wilson was fantastic but we will have to see another season to elevate him to elite status.

Seer1 01-15-2013 06:38 PM

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Friends don't let friends click on this link.

Halo 01-15-2013 10:37 PM

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Of course it's going to be an underhanded jab at New Orleans.
Let's pick on the New Orleans QB this offseason because... oh, just forgot, the Superbowl is IN New Orleans.
Just like he took whatever opportunity afforded him to jab at the Saints during Bountygate when there was no news whatsoever going on.

It's called ratings. The more outrage he presents, the more our fans listen to him and call in and are outraged.

RaginCajun83 01-15-2013 10:44 PM

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Can't believe anyone even bothers to listen to cowherd anymore?

Halo 01-15-2013 10:46 PM

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OOPS!

Now I know why he's looking for attention. He's off the Sportsnation show as of January 1. Hope he interviews Drew soon.... NOT! Drew usually skips the loser journalists.

Marcellus Wiley replacing Colin Cowherd on SportsNation

OldMaid 01-16-2013 04:50 AM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
I stay way from the qb of the week honor.

All this is simply sport's commentators talking up the qb or team of the week.

If Russel or Luck or Kaepernick or RGIII or Matty Ryan or even Tebow for not what he has done, not much by the way, but for what he is supposed to have done or can do if he gets a chance to be a starter, LOL, that woukd make sense.
I can say I am a better qb than Brees if ColinC is going to make comparisons here in saying Russell is better than Brees for what little Russell has in common with Brees.

Obviously the guy, Colin Cowherd, doesn't know how to compare and contrast like things and unlike things. I suggest he go back to Pre-K. This is a skill taught in Pre-K and Pre-K'ers really understand compare /contrast.:D

Really.

Now, if they , this commentator were to fill airtime in talking about who has better stats, better qb between Brees, EManning, TBrady, PManning and even compare these guys to former qb's of TBradshaw, DMarino, JMontanta, DWilliams, etc., well, ok that would make sense.

Stats are stats and are facts.:cool:
Opinions would be who is the better qb between Brees and the guys I mentioned would be okay.

If ColinCowherd had comapred Russel , Kaepernick, Luck, RGIII and the rest of the young guys whom are up and coming at the same time, ok.

I hate when these people waste good airtime on senseless stories. He could have made a really segment there about Russell, RGIII, Luck and the rest of these qb's of the same age group, years, etc.
I think Kaep, Russ, Luck, RGII are guys to watch for in the future of the NFL.

Comparing Brees and Russell is like comparing the acting skills and Meryl Streep and Kim Kardashian .
Barbra Streistand and Ke$sha, whatever her name is.
Heidi Klum and Heidi Fliess.

You get my point, :-)

lee909 01-16-2013 04:59 AM

Cowherd comes out with a outlandish claim-listeners get angry-talk to friends about said comment and idiot on the radio-friends listens to show-more listeners creates bigger advertisement income-Cowherd gets bigger salary-Cowherd comes out with a outlandish claim........

xan 01-16-2013 07:40 AM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
Wilson was rated #4 in the traditional rating vs. Brees' #8, and in the new QBR rating, he was rated #8 to Brees' #9.

For this season only, given that:

A) he had a better statistical year, and
B) his team won a game in the playoffs and nearly won 2,

then Cowherd has a pretty defensible position.

Mardigras9 01-16-2013 08:12 AM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 472678)
It's called ratings. The more outrage he presents, the more our fans listen to him and call in and are outraged.

Absolutely.
The crazier it sounds, the more attention it gets.

Utah_Saint 01-16-2013 08:51 AM

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He got a whole thread dedicated to him and his asinine blathering. Mission accomplished.

burningmetal 01-16-2013 09:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xan (Post 472736)
Wilson was rated #4 in the traditional rating vs. Brees' #8, and in the new QBR rating, he was rated #8 to Brees' #9.

For this season only, given that:

A) he had a better statistical year, and
B) his team won a game in the playoffs and nearly won 2,

then Cowherd has a pretty defensible position.

QB ratings don't take into account degree of difficulty. I believe Drew had a down year, but he had a much more difficult task than Wilson. Wilson has a better O-line, not just in pass protection, but in the running game aswell. As evidenced by Marshawn Lynch's huge year. That takes a lot of pressure off a quarterback.

It's true that Brees has better weapons, and those weapons certainly have something to do with him compiling some gaudy numbers. But the ratings system doesn't really go by just sheer volume of yards and TD's. It goes by completion percentage, INT's per attempt, number of times sacked, etc. Wilson didn't have huge numbers by any standards, but particularly not by today's standards of offense.

But his overall efficiency is what put him over Brees. I don't think any Rookie QB could have survived this season with the Saints, however. Russell Wilson had a good year, I'm not taking that away from him, but you can't possibly make a valid comparison between he and Brees, at this point.

xan 01-16-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 472798)
QB ratings don't take into account degree of difficulty. I believe Drew had a down year, but he had a much more difficult task than Wilson. Wilson has a better O-line, not just in pass protection, but in the running game aswell. As evidenced by Marshawn Lynch's huge year. That takes a lot of pressure off a quarterback.

It's true that Brees has better weapons, and those weapons certainly have something to do with him compiling some gaudy numbers. But the ratings system doesn't really go by just sheer volume of yards and TD's. It goes by completion percentage, INT's per attempt, number of times sacked, etc. Wilson didn't have huge numbers by any standards, but particularly not by today's standards of offense.

But his overall efficiency is what put him over Brees. I don't think any Rookie QB could have survived this season with the Saints, however. Russell Wilson had a good year, I'm not taking that away from him, but you can't possibly make a valid comparison between he and Brees, at this point.

I'm not looking to get into a fight over something this petty, but I'd like to point out that the Seahags and Saints had essentially the same degree of difficulty in schedule, and Wilson had, by your observation fewer weapons. He won more games, won more game in comeback situations, committed fewer turnovers, was accurate and was a consistent running threat (behind only Scam Newton in yards and efficiency).

The takeaway is that Wilson was more consistent and dangerous than Brees and it showed because he won 4 more games and made it to the playoffs.

jeanpierre 01-16-2013 02:20 PM

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They teach you in Lifeguard classes that drowning victims will drag you down in a panic...

WilsonFan1 01-16-2013 04:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 472454)
I'm not sure if Russell Wilson is even a top 10 QB, yet. He was efficient enough in the things he was asked to do, and he was easily an upgrade to anything they've had since Matt Hasselbeck, in his prime. But that is a pound it out offense, and Marshawn Lynch had a really, really good year. I had no idea Lynch was capable of that kind of season, after all his previous under achievements.

I don't see Wilson being able to carry an offense without a complimentary running game, and the truly elite QB's have to be able to do that. People like cowturd are really overreacting to the fact that these rookie QB's were able to get into the playoffs. It is a team game however. These guys have a long way to go, to be elite.

Wilson is definitely a top 10 QB already. You say that Wilson did what was asked, but that was not much because they had Marshawn Lynch running the ball. Then you say that Lynch had a better year than you expected. Did you ever consider that Lynch had a better year because of the play of Wilson?

Early in the season, the Seahawks thought they could win games if the QB did not make plays that hurt the team. They believed that their running game and their defense were sufficient to put them into the playoffs. So, when you say that Wilson was not asked to do much, you are correct WRT the first half of the season. But how well was that working? The Seahawks were 97 yards away from going 6-6 on the season facing the Bears at Soldier Field with 3:40 left on the clock. At that point, Pete Carroll had an epiphany. If the Seahawks were going to win the game, they had to let Wilson drive the team downfield. That is just what he did. He got the Hawks a 3 point lead with about 30 seconds left in the game. And then the Hawks D gave up a 57 yard pass that set up a game tying field goal. (Sound familiar?) In OT, Wilson drove the Hawks downfield again for the winning TD.

It was that game that gave the Seahawks the confidence to let Wilson lead the team. From that point on, he has been the best QB in the NFL. That is not saying that he is a better QB than Peyton, Aaron, Tom, or Drew. But at the end of the season, no one was playing better than Wilson. And when the Hawks running game failed them in the NFC divisional round, Wilson put the team on his back and gave the team the lead with 30 seconds to go in the game. That was with Marshawn Lynch unable to run the ball (46 yards in 16 carries). Wilson ended up with almost as many yards carrying the ball in 7 attempts (60 yards) as his running backs were able to produce (64 yards in 20 attempts). Wilson produced 445 out of the Seahawks 491 total yards. If that does not show that Wilson carried the team when they had no run game, I don't know what does.

WilsonFan1 01-16-2013 04:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 472470)
Wilson was impressive this year but it is too early to call him a top 5 QB.
There wasn't much film on him this year so we will see what he does next year after defenses get to look at this year's film. You do have to give him credit though, it's not like he has great receivers.

You've got a good point. The thing is, Wilson is always the most prepared player on the field. Other teams will make adjustments, but Wilson will figure out what their adjustments are and change things up on the opposing defense. He already shows that he can do that within a game, not just within a season.

Seer1 01-16-2013 06:03 PM

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Whaddaya get when you cross a football player from Dallas with a lower intestine?

Rugby Saint II 01-16-2013 06:21 PM

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Oh my, some one doesn't do their research.

Danno 01-16-2013 06:26 PM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
I guess the 500 lb gorilla in the room speculation question is...

Would you rather have Brees for 5 more seasons or Russell Wilson for the next 10?

Thats a close one.

jeanpierre 01-16-2013 06:47 PM

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Love having Drew, but his contract...

...is going to be like a sailor's one night of fun in a Far East Pleasure House coming with a bad case of the Salary Clap...

Danno 01-16-2013 06:52 PM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 472892)
Love having Drew, but his contract...

...is going to be like a sailor's one night of fun in a Far East Pleasure House coming with a bad case of the Salary Clap...

Nicely played.

papz 01-16-2013 07:04 PM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
If you gave me Brees with Seattle's defense, how many championships would the Saints win in the next 5 years?

If you gave me Wilson with Seattle's defense, how many championships would the Seahawks win in the next 10 years?

Now I'm a Wilson fan myself(I absolutely love the guy)... but let's get real here. It's been 1 year.

Wilsonfan - You have every reason to be optimistic about Wilson... hell most people should. The guy is modest, talented, a hard worker, and plays the game the right way. I've watched the guy closely since NC State... there's nothing not to like about him. But to jump the gun and say he's already the best quarterback the Seahawks has ever had and if you're saying he's already one of the elite quarterbacks in the league, after ONE YEAR, just shows that you're not being objective and just being a bias homer.

Marlboro Man 01-17-2013 10:55 PM

Re: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd says Russell Wilson is a Top 5 QB–Better than Drew Brees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 472419)
This is actually something I’d expect to hear from the likes of Mr. Skip Bayless. Colin Cowherd isn’t a stranger to his dubious opinions at times, but they are after all his opinions.

On Cowherd’s afternoon radio show on ESPN ‘The Herd’ he spent a lot of time heaping praise on rookie QB Russell Wilson. And to his credit, Wilson deserves that praise, despite the loss, but he’s had a remarkable season. Cowherd decided to one up all others by flat out proclaiming that Russell Wilson has now elevated himself to a top 5 Quarterback in the NFL, even better in some regards than Drew Brees.

I don’t know why I have to wait to say that I think the guy is a top 5-6 Quarterback in the League…He’s Drew Brees, with a better arm and better feet.

ESPN

You have to wait because Russell was a product of his coaches gimmick offensive scheme. The run option. SF uses that as well and that dog won't hunt next year, bet on it. Why the nfl takes so long defensively to adjust to these gimmick offenses is beyond me, but it is what it is and everyone will have adjusted to it by next season. Schemes like what Sean Payton uses are more likely to stand the test of time. The teams that run that scheme like Wash., Seattle, and SF will have a hard time repeating this years success next season. When we played those teams, our offense made the plays to beat those teams and if it weren't for our pathetic defensive talent and schemes we would have won those games.


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