Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’

burningmetal · 02-01-2013, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by xan

I'm not taking sides. Just pointing out that Mr. Adderly's salary in 1972 was almost $50,000, his 11th season in the league. Over that time period, he amassed more than $90,000 in bouses associated with playoff games. He was the first black man drafted by and to play for the Packers in 1961, and was underpaid during his first 9 seasons relative to other white players. His rookie contract was for 4 seasons and, at the time, with no free agency, Green Bay dictated his salary. When free agency was available, Mr. Adderly signed with the Cowboys, who, essentially, doubled his salary.

In today's dollars, his peak year earning (1972) was [(229.6/41.8)*$50K)] $274,600. Minimum wage in 2012 was $380,000.

I just want to remind some posters that being ignorant of history is no reason to post statements about what former players should have or could have done from that era. It's like the statement by the NRA lobbiest who said that if slaves had guns they might have had it better in the US.

How about this.

Just because certain people believe they are "enlightened" and all others are fools, does not mean they are correct. Your point failed to make the statement it was intended to make.

It has already been acknowledged that players made less money back then. We know the history, but thanks for the jab anyway. The fact that free agency didn't exist does not mean there was no such thing as market value. Free agency is what allowed bidding wars to begin and has brought on these enormous contracts we see today. But even though players of old did not have free agency, they still had the right to demand more money based on their performance, as compared to other players in the league. Their teams could either pay up, or release the player. Obviously, if you have a player who is valuable enough to your team, you wouldn't just let him walk. Free agency just gave players freedom to negotiate with other teams.

Tobias already stated the other point I wanted to make, which is, Adderley's peak year earnings where at least five times that of the average person in that time. The argument you're making is only stating what we already know. Players made less then, than they do today... Well, everyone made less then, than they do now. It used to cost about a quarter to go to the movies. The cost of living was much lower then. So what is Adderley's excuse?

Those guys wanted as much as they could get then. It's irrelevant how it compares to today. These are much different, and more expensive times. If the average Joe could put his kids through college back then making a fifth of what Adderley did, then why did he have to use his pension? He blew his money, plain and simple. I'm not glad that he's struggling, but he could have done something else after football. Why didn't he?

TheOak · 01-30-2013, 11:20 AM

On face value of the original statement, removing the author. What the author makes is irrelevant, had the author had his hand out having burnt through all of his money that would be a different story.

"There are some guys out there who have made bad business decisions." This is true

"They took their pensions early because they never went out and got a job." This is true

"They've had a couple of divorces and are making payments to this place and that place, and that's why they don't have money." again true statement about at least one.

And they're coming to us to basically say, 'Please make up for my bad judgment.' " Again correct.

With the use of the word "some" the statement is entirely accurate. Had he said most, all, a lot, then I could see "some" people getting offended.

"Some" meaning at least one, followed by "guy(s)" meaning at least 2.

Some - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Jamessr · 01-30-2013, 11:33 AM

In 1972 the average house hold income was $10,000-$12,000. He earned $50,000.
I still don't understand why he is complaining.

NuNu318 · 01-30-2013, 11:47 AM

IMO....I feel like some of these former players are just looking for a reason to be bitter. Brees' statement said SOME not ALL players squandered their money. and he feels like the new generation shouldnt have to come out of their pockets because of the older generation's mistakes. I don't see how that particular logic is flawed. If some of these guys feel like Brees is attacking them or being greedy or disrespectful...obviously they in part are in that SOME category and it struck a chord.

The continued bashing of Drew Brees is unwarrented IMO. He's telling the truth. The only guys, to me, that should be getting any kind of extra money are the guys that have onging physical issues because of their time in the NFL. And that should come from the NFL themselves, not from current players.

But its whatever....let these guys bash Brees in the media...its not gonna stop him from getting paid or making contributions to his community. All of it is just bitterness. These guys lived and played during a time where society and economy didn't dictate that they could possibly get paid millions. Its not the current players fault that the economy, society, and NFL changed to this point. And anyone of these guys complaining that they have no money and want the current players to come out of their pocket is a hypocrite....cuz they would be reluctant come out of their pocket if they were in the same situations.

TheOak · 01-30-2013, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by NuNu318

IMO....I feel like some of these former players are just looking for a reason to be bitter. Brees' statement said SOME not ALL players squandered their money. and he feels like the new generation shouldnt have to come out of their pockets because of the older generation's mistakes. I don't see how that particular logic is flawed. If some of these guys feel like Brees is attacking them or being greedy or disrespectful...obviously they in part are in that SOME category and it struck a chord.

The continued bashing of Drew Brees is unwarrented IMO. He's telling the truth. The only guys, to me, that should be getting any kind of extra money are the guys that have onging physical issues because of their time in the NFL. And that should come from the NFL themselves, not from current players.

But its whatever....let these guys bash Brees in the media...its not gonna stop him from getting paid or making contributions to his community. All of it is just bitterness. These guys lived and played during a time where society and economy didn't dictate that they could possibly get paid millions. Its not the current players fault that the economy, society, and NFL changed to this point. And anyone of these guys complaining that they have no money and want the current players to come out of their pocket is a hypocrite....cuz they would be reluctant come out of their pocket if they were in the same situations.

In regards to striking a chord... Brees made that statement in 2011 correct?

Adderley it would seem has held on to that anger for nearly two years. Why wait two years? Why in the fk would Russo want to bring this up now?

Jamessr · 01-30-2013, 11:50 AM

I wish I could make 5x the average house income for 9 years. Some folks barely make now what he made in 1972!

Crusader · 01-30-2013, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

I wish I could make 5x the average house income for 9 years. Some folks barely make now what he made in 1972!

I make nowhere close to $50 000 today but I still think Mr Adderly is more right than wrong on this matter.

westbankdaze · 01-30-2013, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Whatever, sounds like most Obama supporters.

Unnecessary comment.

Rugby Saint II · 01-30-2013, 12:32 PM

Didn't these guys go to college? Don't they have a degree?

RaginCajun83 · 01-30-2013, 02:21 PM

If he played now, he would want to get paid as much as possible and might feel the same way. Pot meet kettle and while he's at it st*u

02-01-2013, 10:25 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ Originally Posted by xan I'm not taking sides. Just pointing out that Mr. Adderly's salary in 1972 was almost $50,000, his 11th season in the league. Over that time period, he amassed more than $90,000 in bouses associated with playoff games. He was the first black man drafted by and to play for the Packers in 1961, and was underpaid during his first 9 seasons relative to other white players. His rookie contract was for 4 seasons and, at the time, with no free agency, Green Bay dictated his salary. When free agency was available, Mr. Adderly signed with the Cowboys, who, essentially, doubled his salary. In today's dollars, his peak year earning (1972) was [(229.6/41.8)*$50K)] $274,600. Minimum wage in 2012 was $380,000. I just want to remind some posters that being ignorant of history is no reason to post statements about what former players should have or could have done from that era. It's like the statement by the NRA lobbiest who said that if slaves had guns they might have had it better in the US. How about this. Just because certain people believe they are "enlightened" and all others are fools, does not mean they are correct. Your point failed to make the statement it was intended to make. It has already been acknowledged that players made less money back then. We know the history, but thanks for the jab anyway. The fact that free agency didn't exist does not mean there was no such thing as market value. Free agency is what allowed bidding wars to begin and has brought on these enormous contracts we see today. But even though players of old did not have free agency, they still had the right to demand more money based on their performance, as compared to other players in the league. Their teams could either pay up, or release the player. Obviously, if you have a player who is valuable enough to your team, you wouldn't just let him walk. Free agency just gave players freedom to negotiate with other teams. Tobias already stated the other point I wanted to make, which is, Adderley's peak year earnings where at least five times that of the average person in that time. The argument you're making is only stating what we already know. Players made less then, than they do today... Well, everyone made less then, than they do now. It used to cost about a quarter to go to the movies. The cost of living was much lower then. So what is Adderley's excuse? Those guys wanted as much as they could get then. It's irrelevant how it compares to today. These are much different, and more expensive times. If the average Joe could put his kids through college back then making a fifth of what Adderley did, then why did he have to use his pension? He blew his money, plain and simple. I'm not glad that he's struggling, but he could have done something else after football. Why didn't he? poydras and Jamessr like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-30-2013, 11:20 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ On face value of the original statement, removing the author. What the author makes is irrelevant, had the author had his hand out having burnt through all of his money that would be a different story. "There are some guys out there who have made bad business decisions." This is true "They took their pensions early because they never went out and got a job." This is true "They've had a couple of divorces and are making payments to this place and that place, and that's why they don't have money." again true statement about at least one. And they're coming to us to basically say, 'Please make up for my bad judgment.' " Again correct. With the use of the word "some" the statement is entirely accurate. Had he said most, all, a lot, then I could see "some" people getting offended. "Some" meaning at least one, followed by "guy(s)" meaning at least 2. Some - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary Jamessr and aintasinner like this.
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01-30-2013, 11:33 AM	#3
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ In 1972 the average house hold income was $10,000-$12,000. He earned $50,000. I still don't understand why he is complaining.

01-30-2013, 11:47 AM	#4
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ IMO....I feel like some of these former players are just looking for a reason to be bitter. Brees' statement said SOME not ALL players squandered their money. and he feels like the new generation shouldnt have to come out of their pockets because of the older generation's mistakes. I don't see how that particular logic is flawed. If some of these guys feel like Brees is attacking them or being greedy or disrespectful...obviously they in part are in that SOME category and it struck a chord. The continued bashing of Drew Brees is unwarrented IMO. He's telling the truth. The only guys, to me, that should be getting any kind of extra money are the guys that have onging physical issues because of their time in the NFL. And that should come from the NFL themselves, not from current players. But its whatever....let these guys bash Brees in the media...its not gonna stop him from getting paid or making contributions to his community. All of it is just bitterness. These guys lived and played during a time where society and economy didn't dictate that they could possibly get paid millions. Its not the current players fault that the economy, society, and NFL changed to this point. And anyone of these guys complaining that they have no money and want the current players to come out of their pocket is a hypocrite....cuz they would be reluctant come out of their pocket if they were in the same situations.

01-30-2013, 12:05 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ Originally Posted by NuNu318 IMO....I feel like some of these former players are just looking for a reason to be bitter. Brees' statement said SOME not ALL players squandered their money. and he feels like the new generation shouldnt have to come out of their pockets because of the older generation's mistakes. I don't see how that particular logic is flawed. If some of these guys feel like Brees is attacking them or being greedy or disrespectful...obviously they in part are in that SOME category and it struck a chord. The continued bashing of Drew Brees is unwarrented IMO. He's telling the truth. The only guys, to me, that should be getting any kind of extra money are the guys that have onging physical issues because of their time in the NFL. And that should come from the NFL themselves, not from current players. But its whatever....let these guys bash Brees in the media...its not gonna stop him from getting paid or making contributions to his community. All of it is just bitterness. These guys lived and played during a time where society and economy didn't dictate that they could possibly get paid millions. Its not the current players fault that the economy, society, and NFL changed to this point. And anyone of these guys complaining that they have no money and want the current players to come out of their pocket is a hypocrite....cuz they would be reluctant come out of their pocket if they were in the same situations. In regards to striking a chord... Brees made that statement in 2011 correct? Adderley it would seem has held on to that anger for nearly two years. Why wait two years? Why in the fk would Russo want to bring this up now?

01-30-2013, 11:50 AM	#6
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ I wish I could make 5x the average house income for 9 years. Some folks barely make now what he made in 1972! kcsaints likes this.

01-30-2013, 01:26 PM	#7
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,050	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ Originally Posted by Jamessr I wish I could make 5x the average house income for 9 years. Some folks barely make now what he made in 1972! I make nowhere close to $50 000 today but I still think Mr Adderly is more right than wrong on this matter.

01-30-2013, 12:29 PM	#8
westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Whatever, sounds like most Obama supporters. Unnecessary comment. Halo, Crusader, onebyone and 1 others like this.
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01-30-2013, 12:32 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,198	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ Didn't these guys go to college? Don't they have a degree? SapperSaint and Jamessr like this.

01-30-2013, 02:21 PM	#10
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Adderley: Brees ‘greedy’ and ‘misinformed’ If he played now, he would want to get paid as much as possible and might feel the same way. Pot meet kettle and while he's at it st*u WhoDat!656 likes this.

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