Saints Salary Triggers hit

02-01-2013, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Excellent, I sense a new debate about the importance of the punter forming!

And on that basis, this thread should be moved to the conspiracy area LOL.

hagan714 · 02-01-2013, 01:48 PM

Morstead for the first time in his years with the saints had a chance to show us how good he is as a punter. offense gave him more three and outs in 2012 than any previous year.

what impressed me most last year was the improvement in corner kicks. inside the 10 was great. i look for better next year in coffin corner kicking. lost art and a deadly skill for any punter to have.

sorry real old school and really appreciate this skill. This could mean the difference in 2 to 3 wins a year

redo his contract to a longer term and kick in the signing bonus to reduce the cap hit.

Jamessr · 02-01-2013, 02:58 PM

So when do we start calling them "Elite" punters who command that type of money?

I just still laugh when people use it for QB's so why not punters? LOL

saintfan · 02-01-2013, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Morstead for the first time in his years with the saints had a chance to show us how good he is as a punter. offense gave him more three and outs in 2012 than any previous year.

what impressed me most last year was the improvement in corner kicks. inside the 10 was great. i look for better next year in coffin corner kicking. lost art and a deadly skill for any punter to have.

sorry real old school and really appreciate this skill. This could mean the difference in 2 to 3 wins a year

redo his contract to a longer term and kick in the signing bonus to reduce the cap hit.

Don't say you're sorry. Field position is still critical, and while the average fan might not understand that, the rest of us DO understand it.

Marlboro Man · 02-01-2013, 09:36 PM

I hear Tulane has an excellent kicker

burningmetal · 02-02-2013, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I understand your point completely, I just don't think the difference between the best punter versus an average punter has any effect on the W-L total at all.

Its why only 1 or 2 punters are selected each year, and nearly every time the team picking one has extra picks, and they're never selected early.

Punters are far from the most impactful players, I agree, but they aren't paid like other players either. 3 million sounds ridiculous, and really it is, but as compared to the best players at all other positions it amounts to nickels and dimes.

Field position leads to points scored, and points disallowed. That is very important. There aren't many punters or kickers drafted because each team only needs one, unlike other positions. And since you only need one, teams go after the best of the best. Once they've filled those spots, there isn't a reason to draft for "depth" at punter or kicker, lol. That's all I'm saying. Not disputing that making millions for kicking is dumb, but you gotta have those guys anyway.

FinSaint · 02-02-2013, 07:48 AM

At least Morstead can make open field tackles, which is more than I can say about most of the punters across the league.

saintsfan1976 · 02-02-2013, 07:54 AM

What makes our punter valuable?

Two steps - nearly impossible to block
Hang time - still avg around 5 seconds (which should cover 50 yds)
Distance - read below the piece from Oct 12 last year.

Everything else is on the tackling IMO

Morstead is currently on pace to set NFL records for the best net punting average in a single season (44.88 yards per kick) and in a career (39.9 yards per kick) -- though he needs 64 more punts to officially qualify for the career mark.

And when it comes to gross punting average, Morstead is flirting with one of the oldest records in NFL history, set by Sammy Baugh in 1940. Baugh averaged 51.4 yards per punt that year, and Morstead is averaging 51.24 yards per punt this year. His career gross average of 46.5 yards per punt also ranks second in NFL history.

New Orleans Saints punter Thomas Morstead in rare air -- just like his kicks: First-and-10 | NOLA.com

UK_WhoDat · 02-02-2013, 03:37 PM

Graham's salary is a joke compared to our kickers / punters

Danno · 02-02-2013, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

At least Morstead can make open field tackles, which is more than I can say about most of the punters across the league.

I know what game you're referring to. You must have missed his 2nd attempt in that game. I've seen pee-wee players make better attempts.

02-01-2013, 01:23 PM	#31
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02-01-2013, 01:48 PM	#32
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Morstead for the first time in his years with the saints had a chance to show us how good he is as a punter. offense gave him more three and outs in 2012 than any previous year. what impressed me most last year was the improvement in corner kicks. inside the 10 was great. i look for better next year in coffin corner kicking. lost art and a deadly skill for any punter to have. sorry real old school and really appreciate this skill. This could mean the difference in 2 to 3 wins a year redo his contract to a longer term and kick in the signing bonus to reduce the cap hit. FinSaint likes this.
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02-01-2013, 02:58 PM	#33
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit So when do we start calling them "Elite" punters who command that type of money? I just still laugh when people use it for QB's so why not punters? LOL

02-01-2013, 03:27 PM	#34
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by hagan714 Morstead for the first time in his years with the saints had a chance to show us how good he is as a punter. offense gave him more three and outs in 2012 than any previous year. what impressed me most last year was the improvement in corner kicks. inside the 10 was great. i look for better next year in coffin corner kicking. lost art and a deadly skill for any punter to have. sorry real old school and really appreciate this skill. This could mean the difference in 2 to 3 wins a year redo his contract to a longer term and kick in the signing bonus to reduce the cap hit. Don't say you're sorry. Field position is still critical, and while the average fan might not understand that, the rest of us DO understand it.

02-01-2013, 09:36 PM	#35
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit I hear Tulane has an excellent kicker

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02-02-2013, 02:30 AM	#36
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Danno I understand your point completely, I just don't think the difference between the best punter versus an average punter has any effect on the W-L total at all. Its why only 1 or 2 punters are selected each year, and nearly every time the team picking one has extra picks, and they're never selected early. Punters are far from the most impactful players, I agree, but they aren't paid like other players either. 3 million sounds ridiculous, and really it is, but as compared to the best players at all other positions it amounts to nickels and dimes. Field position leads to points scored, and points disallowed. That is very important. There aren't many punters or kickers drafted because each team only needs one, unlike other positions. And since you only need one, teams go after the best of the best. Once they've filled those spots, there isn't a reason to draft for "depth" at punter or kicker, lol. That's all I'm saying. Not disputing that making millions for kicking is dumb, but you gotta have those guys anyway.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-02-2013, 07:48 AM	#37
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit At least Morstead can make open field tackles, which is more than I can say about most of the punters across the league.

02-02-2013, 07:54 AM	#38
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit What makes our punter valuable? Two steps - nearly impossible to block Hang time - still avg around 5 seconds (which should cover 50 yds) Distance - read below the piece from Oct 12 last year. Everything else is on the tackling IMO Morstead is currently on pace to set NFL records for the best net punting average in a single season (44.88 yards per kick) and in a career (39.9 yards per kick) -- though he needs 64 more punts to officially qualify for the career mark. And when it comes to gross punting average, Morstead is flirting with one of the oldest records in NFL history, set by Sammy Baugh in 1940. Baugh averaged 51.4 yards per punt that year, and Morstead is averaging 51.24 yards per punt this year. His career gross average of 46.5 yards per punt also ranks second in NFL history. New Orleans Saints punter Thomas Morstead in rare air -- just like his kicks: First-and-10 \| NOLA.com

02-02-2013, 03:37 PM	#39
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Graham's salary is a joke compared to our kickers / punters

02-02-2013, 03:38 PM	#40
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by FinSaint At least Morstead can make open field tackles, which is more than I can say about most of the punters across the league. I know what game you're referring to. You must have missed his 2nd attempt in that game. I've seen pee-wee players make better attempts.

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