Saints Salary Triggers hit

Halo · 01-31-2013, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We have a $2.6 million kicker and a $3 million Punter?

Wow.

Punter is worth every penny. End of comment.

BUT the kicker - Fartley - uh NO!

When he makes me so nervous on EXTRA POINTS much less 20 yarders that I'm calling for the return of John Kasey (who is 43 and in my opinion has 2 years leg left in him still), then Fartley either restructures or can bite me.

I know Coach Payton has a soft spot for Hartley but man, 2.6 mill against the cap? that's definitely a pet project that could literally BOOT us out a playoff birth or lose a playoff game.

I know, I know, he kicked the big-one... but since then we discovered he was using Adderall to perform. He obviously does not have ADHD because if he did he would have Adderall legally and be more focused. He semi-sucked again in 2012.

Danno · 01-31-2013, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Punter is worth every penny. End of comment.

Disagree, its the least important position in all of football. End of discussion.

Rugby Saint II · 01-31-2013, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Disagree, its the least important position in all of football. End of discussion.

He also does kick offs.

Danno · 01-31-2013, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

He also does kick offs.

With the shorter field that's less important than ever.

SaintnDE · 02-01-2013, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Disagree, its the least important position in all of football. End of discussion.

Totally disagree. The guy is a stud at giving us great field position after every punt.

Hartley on the other hand is a complete surprise...I actually thought he'd be one of the first to get cut. I like Kasay soooo much better.

Danno · 02-01-2013, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by SaintnDE

Totally disagree. The guy is a stud at giving us great field position after every punt.

Hartley on the other hand is a complete surprise...I actually thought he'd be one of the first to get cut. I like Kasay soooo much better.

I doubt teams are scared of the 3 extra yards they have to go. Thats barely over 1/2 of a single play in todays NFL.

burningmetal · 02-01-2013, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I doubt teams are scared of the 3 extra yards they have to go. Thats barely over 1/2 of a single play in todays NFL.

He gave us a lot better than an extra 3 yards. His distance and hang time had him on pace to break the record for net average in a season, and I believe he did break the record. He gave the defense great field position countless times. It isn't his fault if our defense gave up 95 yard drives.

And he bailed the offense out of some tight spots quite a bit, also. That is very valuable. You can't put the blame on him just because his team didn't capitalize on the field position every time. Do I think people should make millions for kicking a ball? No. But this is professional sports, if you want to keep the best players you have to pay them. If the Saints had let Morstead test the waters, somebody else would have paid him what he wanted.

Danno · 02-01-2013, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

He gave us a lot better than an extra 3 yards. His distance and hang time had him on pace to break the record for net average in a season, and I believe he did break the record. He gave the defense great field position countless times. It isn't his fault if our defense gave up 95 yard drives.

And he bailed the offense out of some tight spots quite a bit, also. That is very valuable. You can't put the blame on him just because his team didn't capitalize on the field position every time. Do I think people should make millions for kicking a ball? No. But this is professional sports, if you want to keep the best players you have to pay them. If the Saints had let Morstead test the waters, somebody else would have paid him what he wanted.

Morstead net average =44.8
NFL net average = 41.4

He gave us an extra 3.4 yards (my bad, I rounded down).

Thats actually 2/3 of ONE single offensive snap. (I should have been more precise)

burningmetal · 02-01-2013, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Morstead net average =44.8
NFL net average = 41.4

He gave us an extra 3.4 yards (my bad, I rounded down).

Thats actually 2/3 of ONE single offensive snap. (I should have been more precise)

To average 3 more yards than the overall league average is very significant. You are talking about the average for an entire season. This means he is bombing footballs with regularity to make up for times when he might be kicking a ball 30 yards because he's trying to pin the other team while kicking past mid field. You know, the pooch punt? This is why I specifically pointed out hang time as well as distance.

And by the way, net average does not take into account the amount of return yards, or lack thereof.

You have bad teams with punters just bombing it as far as they can, and then you have teams with good offenses, whose punters have to use more precision in the form of corner kicks and hang time. And when good punters punt from long distances, they are able to angle it where there isn't a big return, AND still get good hang time as well.

If a running back averages 5 yards per carry and another averages 4, that's only a 1 yard difference on the field, at face value. But over the course of an entire year it adds up to a significant amount of yards, and means that the player averaging 5 yards is making more big plays. See my point? Just saying it's only 3 yards is a rather gross oversimplification.

Mardigras9 · 02-01-2013, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Punter is worth every penny. End of comment.

BUT the kicker - Fartley - uh NO!

Totally agree.
Hartley is NOT WORTH IT.

Morestud, on the other hand, is worth every penny. He (with the moved up placement) has eliminated big-play kick-off returns. His monster punts also are invaluable in the field position war.

01-31-2013, 05:01 PM	#1
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,889 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Danno We have a $2.6 million kicker and a $3 million Punter? Wow. Punter is worth every penny. End of comment. BUT the kicker - Fartley - uh NO! When he makes me so nervous on EXTRA POINTS much less 20 yarders that I'm calling for the return of John Kasey (who is 43 and in my opinion has 2 years leg left in him still), then Fartley either restructures or can bite me. I know Coach Payton has a soft spot for Hartley but man, 2.6 mill against the cap? that's definitely a pet project that could literally BOOT us out a playoff birth or lose a playoff game. I know, I know, he kicked the big-one... but since then we discovered he was using Adderall to perform. He obviously does not have ADHD because if he did he would have Adderall legally and be more focused. He semi-sucked again in 2012. Ashley likes this.
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01-31-2013, 06:15 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Halo Punter is worth every penny. End of comment. Disagree, its the least important position in all of football. End of discussion.

01-31-2013, 08:33 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,148	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Danno Disagree, its the least important position in all of football. End of discussion. He also does kick offs.

01-31-2013, 08:38 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II He also does kick offs. With the shorter field that's less important than ever.

02-01-2013, 07:29 AM	#5
SaintnDE 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 443	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Danno Disagree, its the least important position in all of football. End of discussion. Totally disagree. The guy is a stud at giving us great field position after every punt. Hartley on the other hand is a complete surprise...I actually thought he'd be one of the first to get cut. I like Kasay soooo much better.
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02-01-2013, 08:19 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by SaintnDE Totally disagree. The guy is a stud at giving us great field position after every punt. Hartley on the other hand is a complete surprise...I actually thought he'd be one of the first to get cut. I like Kasay soooo much better. I doubt teams are scared of the 3 extra yards they have to go. Thats barely over 1/2 of a single play in todays NFL.

02-01-2013, 09:48 AM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Danno I doubt teams are scared of the 3 extra yards they have to go. Thats barely over 1/2 of a single play in todays NFL. He gave us a lot better than an extra 3 yards. His distance and hang time had him on pace to break the record for net average in a season, and I believe he did break the record. He gave the defense great field position countless times. It isn't his fault if our defense gave up 95 yard drives. And he bailed the offense out of some tight spots quite a bit, also. That is very valuable. You can't put the blame on him just because his team didn't capitalize on the field position every time. Do I think people should make millions for kicking a ball? No. But this is professional sports, if you want to keep the best players you have to pay them. If the Saints had let Morstead test the waters, somebody else would have paid him what he wanted.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-01-2013, 10:13 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by burningmetal He gave us a lot better than an extra 3 yards. His distance and hang time had him on pace to break the record for net average in a season, and I believe he did break the record. He gave the defense great field position countless times. It isn't his fault if our defense gave up 95 yard drives. And he bailed the offense out of some tight spots quite a bit, also. That is very valuable. You can't put the blame on him just because his team didn't capitalize on the field position every time. Do I think people should make millions for kicking a ball? No. But this is professional sports, if you want to keep the best players you have to pay them. If the Saints had let Morstead test the waters, somebody else would have paid him what he wanted. Morstead net average =44.8 NFL net average = 41.4 He gave us an extra 3.4 yards (my bad, I rounded down). Thats actually 2/3 of ONE single offensive snap. (I should have been more precise)

02-01-2013, 10:54 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Danno Morstead net average =44.8 NFL net average = 41.4 He gave us an extra 3.4 yards (my bad, I rounded down). Thats actually 2/3 of ONE single offensive snap. (I should have been more precise) To average 3 more yards than the overall league average is very significant. You are talking about the average for an entire season. This means he is bombing footballs with regularity to make up for times when he might be kicking a ball 30 yards because he's trying to pin the other team while kicking past mid field. You know, the pooch punt? This is why I specifically pointed out hang time as well as distance. And by the way, net average does not take into account the amount of return yards, or lack thereof. You have bad teams with punters just bombing it as far as they can, and then you have teams with good offenses, whose punters have to use more precision in the form of corner kicks and hang time. And when good punters punt from long distances, they are able to angle it where there isn't a big return, AND still get good hang time as well. If a running back averages 5 yards per carry and another averages 4, that's only a 1 yard difference on the field, at face value. But over the course of an entire year it adds up to a significant amount of yards, and means that the player averaging 5 yards is making more big plays. See my point? Just saying it's only 3 yards is a rather gross oversimplification.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-01-2013, 10:01 AM	#10
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Saints Salary Triggers hit Originally Posted by Halo Punter is worth every penny. End of comment. BUT the kicker - Fartley - uh NO! Totally agree. Hartley is NOT WORTH IT. Morestud, on the other hand, is worth every penny. He (with the moved up placement) has eliminated big-play kick-off returns. His monster punts also are invaluable in the field position war.

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