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Did we just go from worst to worst ?

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Not a fan of the Ryans, just my two cents.

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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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This is how I feel about it:

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This is not THAT type of forum

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Ryan has more character than spags, can you remember how many players saying they loved playing for GW because he was intense, firey and made guys play better

If indeed we do sign ryan, ill trust in SP because he knows what hes doing

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Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have one...

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I wouldn't like this move if it turned out to be true.

It would also bother me in the sense that it would tell us that SP never had a masterplan to fix the defense with precise forethought steps, because Ryan was already almost hired by the Rams and could've easily been already unattainable - if he was the guy SP wanted to get all along.

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Very True

But I think a lot of people are condemning Rob Ryan because of the stuff his brother does, Yeah they are both loud mouths but he doesn't do any of the BS that Rex does on a daily basis

Besides, we haven't even hired him yet, SP will make it work, He saw that spags wasn't right and fired him quickly

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This is literally the last guy I wanted them to hire. Why would we want anything to do with this sideshow? Haven't we endured enough of that already? I honestly wouldn't care if he were the greatest DC of all time coming in. I still wouldn't want his loud mouth infecting the team. But the reality is that this guy is an average coordinator, at best.

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Ryan, to me, is GW without all the "cut off the head & the body will die" rhetoric. They're both a couple characters who rely too much on 'false motivation' techniques to get the most out of their guys instead of just coaching them up.

As previously noted, I hope it's just a smokescreen for the real hire.

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I like the idea of hiring him. The Dallas D had some nice stints last year and if there was one thing missing in our D last year it was swagger, which Ryan brings a lot to the table.

Saints interview Todd Grantham from Alabama tomorrow, Ryan on Friday. Regardless of what the news says, they are still interviewing.


Ryan has never been a DC on a team with a winning record, and that bothers me. I do buy into the value of "knowing how to win"..... Which has little to do with football and more to do with not imploding you can taste victory. Winning is a culture.

EG Atlanta Falcons

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Don't forget the almighty Sean Payton also hired spagnuola as well

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I'd like to note that if this measured time period is 5 minutes, I'd have been an 11 time Olympic Champion in the 400m Freestyle.

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Looks like grantham and Ryan stomped some of the same grounds but at different time periods.. Browns and Cowboys.

However Grantham was on winning teams, good accomplishments, has installed a 3-4 before, and his background is in the D-line. From what I read on both i would rather Grantham.

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Grantham:
Pros- Giving a "choke" sign to Mike Smith next year.
Someone might finally explain to me what a Hokie is and why it's a good thing.
Cons- Kind of a spotty record with the pros. "He was fired on January 11, 2008 after the 2007 season with the Brown's defense ranking 25th against the pass, 27th against the run, and 30th in total-yards-against among 32 teams."

Ryan:
Pros- His un-miced cussing on the sidelines is legendary. It could maybe even get Bilick to actually talk about the game instead of babbling on about every other team in the league.
Cons- Some kid in some sweatshop'll be putting in some major extra hours sewing big ol' fleur de lis on big ol' shirts for maybe ten twelve cents an hour.

Draw- They were both DCs for Cleveland although Ryan was hired in after Grantham was fired and did a fairly decent job considering he had to deal with Holmgren, Mangina and the fact that the defense was on the field about eighty percent of the time due to some of the amazing decisions made by the two idiots mentioned above. I'm still in the we'll see camp although I really would like to finally find out what a freakin' hokie is.

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Whomever the Saints hire as the new DC, he's going to have his hands full trying to find players to fit the scheme. The Saints haven't been able to field 3 quality LB's for years and now 4 will be required. Plus, the 3-4 needs a stud NT. Unless they see Hicks as that guy, that's another BIG whole to fill. Then, you have an aging Greer and very inconsistent Robinson at CB, a completely ineffective FS in Jenkins, and an overpaid, non-covering SS in Harper. Of course, since this years defense allowed the most yards of all time, surely it can't be any worse.

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As would I. Living here in Atlanta i've watched UGA closely. He's done a stellar job of building and coaching a very good college defense - One that almost beat Alabama.

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... and so is losing, which is why I agree that Ryan never having been a DC on a winning team should be a concern. Coaches like Ryan, IMO, subscribe to the "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh#t" philosophy and surround their programs with a lot of hype, drama, smoke, mirrors & theatrics in order to make it seem like their accomplishing something. Similiar to GW.

On the upside & from what I've seen, you can get away with that act when you DC for a team that has an offense like Brees & the Saints, so if Ryan is the choice, maybe it's only a two/three year plan.

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You left out something on Grantham and Ryan.

Grantham Pro - @ Cowboys - Grantham served as the defensive line coach for the Dallas Cowboys until the end of the season when he joined the coaching staff at the University of Georgia as defensive coordinator. During Grantham's 2 seasons with Dallas, the Cowboys improved from 13th (2007) to 2nd (2009) in the league in points allowed.

@ Groegia - Grantham has installed a 3-4 defense. Despite breakdowns in coverage at times, the Bulldogs ranked 23rd nationally in total defense and 35th in scoring defense (22 points allowed per game). His defense also forced 26 takeaways, over twice as many as Georgia had in 2009 (12), and helped them move from 118th nationally in 2009 to 18th in 2010 in turnover margin.

@ Cleveland - Todd Grantham's first year as coordinator of the Browns defense was an eclectic mix of good and bad. They once again fielded one of the NFL's top pass defenses, actually stepping up in rank from 5th to 4th in the NFL. When starting cornerback Gary Baxter went down with a knee injury that ended his season, Leigh Bodden emerged as a solid playmaker. Overall, their secondary continued to play at a high level. They also ranked 11th in scoring defense despite possessing one of the leagues worst run defenses.

@ Indy - His D-Line was one of the catalysts of the biggest turnaround in league history (3-13 to 13-3),


Ryan Con - never been on a team with a winning record.


Out of Rob Ryans mouth:
"I inherited a team that was 31st in the league in defense and made them better," Ryan told ESPNDallas.com. "I (expletive) made them a hell of a lot better. I'll be out of work for like five minutes." <-- we just do not need any of that Rex type talk... As it turns out he has a long 5 minutes.
Rob Ryan will not be Rams' defensive coordinator - NFL - Sporting News

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The worst part about this is the overwhelming majority of this forum thinks it is a bad idea...in my experience it is a bad idea

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I am a little mixed on the situation.

Grantham though........hmmm

might not be such a bad choice, think honestly our FO is got the same problems we got in not knowing who is really fit for the position.

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Personally i think Payton is messing with ESPN on the Ryan hire.
Can't believe he would hire Ryan after what happen with GW. They are cut from the same mold. I believe it's a total smoke screen to hire Grantham.
Peyton said himself during senior bowl week that the new DC may come from the college ranks. Could have been a hint or slip.

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I think your right. I mean look Adam Schefter found out from his "sources". Local media found out from sources, you know the ones they talk to everyday because they live in N.O. that they were going to interview Grantham on Thursday and Ryan on Friday. Kristian Garic went on twitter and said Sean Payton told him personally that they were still interviewing. Sean Payton was on Mike & Mike this morning exactly 15min after Schefter and said he hasn't made a decision, still has about 3 or 4 interviews he's going to conduct because he has to get permission from some teams who have position coaches they want to interview and probably won't have a final one until middle to late next week.

All of these reporters, especially the ESPN guys, are always so quick to put stuff on twitter because they want to be first. True journalism has gone out the window since twitter came along. I'm not saying I don't like getting my info within seconds but at least make sure you have your FACTS straight before you post.

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Well haters gunna hate lol but Spags was TERRRRRIIIBBLLLEEE ! ! ! n Rob ryan say what ya want but if he is hired I think its a good move....

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Smoke and Mirrors.. It will be Romeo Crennel.

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The whole KC payments has me worried though. He gets 3 mill per year to do nothing.

I did hear that if he hired on somewhere, he would get the difference between his salary and the 3 million.

If we paid him 1 mill, KC would have to fork over 2 mill.

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Romeo may be out of a DC job this season unless some desperate team takes him, reason why most may pass on him is due to the KC clause which may be a red flag to many teams that the end is nearing for him in football altogether, the clause basically is there saying "I dont have to work next season and make 3 mill". I dont think teams want that attitude.

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...precisely why it won't be him either.

I was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and they had SP on. He, of course, commented on the DC search, intimating they had sought permission to talk to a couple of other team's position coaches... and that by the end of next week there would likely be a decision on a new DC. IMHO, it'll be either a college DC or an assistant from some other team.

Enjoy this listen.

Sean Payton, Saints - ESPN

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That isn't an attitude, it is a contract... Which translates to a two year contract from the Saints for 1.5m a year, KC pays him 1.5mm a year for the next two years also.

UNTIL Romeo Crennel says (in a cartman voice) "screw you guys i am staying home".. He is wanting to work.

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George is very unhappy...

McKayla is not impressed...

Santa Claus is NOT coming to town...

Veruca Salt does NOT want a Rob Ryan...

The Soup Nazi says NO SOUP TODAY!!!

Whacha talkin 'bout Willis?!?

:mad:

:rolleyes:

:dunce:

:furious:

...hope I'm wrong and this isn't some hire by Payton to satisfy curiosity of how Ryan, Fujita and Browns stifled them a couple of years ago...

Would Payton be using this to find a mole in the Saints?

Really don't want the evil twin of Sexy Rexy and the Foot Fetish Tour distracting the team...

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True, knowing what type of person Crennel is I doubt he wants to just sit around and do nothing just to screw the Chiefs. I get the feeling thats not him.

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I do not get all this love for him? Dallas D was not all that great ever during his time there. Not with all the picks playing D there.
i just do not get it. roll the dice and go with an up and comer please.

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I haven't seen an article that quotes someone credible saying Ryan will be hired. It's all been 'rob Ryan to be hired, but Payton says he is just being interviewed'

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In hs defense (pun intended) the Cowboys were a top 5 defense before numerous injuries set in. They lost 7 starters to injury. Losing seven starters is not insignificant at all.

They still finished 14th overall even with all those injuries.

I wonder how we'd have done if our defense finished middle of the pack?

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Good point Danno. If we were ranked 14th next season I'd take it. We just moved up 18 spots!

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Considering our offense scores on average 30+ as game.
I'm sure we would have made the NFC Championship