Saints Notes: Roman Harper, Jonathan Vilma and Will Smith

pherein · 02-14-2013, 10:05 AM

Dropping Greer is a bad move, only decent CB we have.

IF you cut these guys I think this is the break down, or close to the minus to CAP, and what it cost in 2014. Correct if wrong, so we can be somewhat accurate.

LB Scott Shanle -$2.25
Sedrick Ellis -$7.6
Will Smith -$6.6 + $3.4 added to 2014 cap ( worst signing ever, cut)
Jon Vilma -$4.7 + $1.3 added to 2014 cap ( may be cut )
Roman Haper -$4.1 + $2.0 add to 2014 cap ( please cut )
Brodrick Bunkly -$2.9 +$1.8 add to 2014 cap ( might have been a bad signing, but probably restructures or cut)
Malcolm Jenkins -$3.15 + $750,000 add to 2014 cap (?)
David Hawthorne -$3.3 +$1.5 add to 2014 cap ( maybe restructured )
Curtis Lofton -$5.1 + $2.0 add to 2014 cap ( ?)
Jabari Greer -$3.4 +$2.0 add to 2014 cap (?)
Jon Casillas -$1.25
Turk Mcbride -$1

Its around 16-17 million I thought. If you cut Ellis, Shanle, Smith, Harper, and Vilma or Bunkly, you have wiggle room. Or restructure some, and a bunch of 1 million dollars guys on the roster to $600,000. Loomis will figure it out.

ESPN's John Clayton, one of the best in the business at crunching salary-cap numbers, projects the Saints at $16.1 million over the cap next year. And after the Saints back-loaded so many of their new and restructured contracts this past offseason, I did a breakdown that showed the combined salary-cap figures of 10 of their highest-priced players will leap from $37.1 million this year to $85.4 million next year.

So even if the Saints release expensive veterans like Will Smith, Jonathan Vilma and David Hawthorne and choose not to re-sign free agents like Sedrick Ellis, Scott Shanle and Turk McBride, they still won't be able to afford many high-priced replacements."

alleycat_126 · 02-14-2013, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

Dropping Greer is a bad move, only decent CB we have.

Not as bad a move as you think. Greer has been injury riddled his whole career with the Saints. Now on top of injuries which he has never been able to get ahead of teams are singling him out and picking on him.

pherein · 02-14-2013, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Not as bad a move as you think. Greer has been injury riddled his whole career with the Saints. Now on top of injuries which he has never been able to get ahead of teams are singling him out and picking on him.

Greer is only 30
You call injury riddled ?
2004 12
2005 16
2006 16
2007 16
2008 10
2009 9
2010 14
2011 16
2012 14
you really need to look things up a bit more before, no offense. If that is injury riddled in the NFL, then Ellis and smith and porter are paraplegic. Greer has been trailing revis in stats sense 2009, and was highly respected in Bufl. Ive shown that 100x, and scored as our 2nd highest defender in the rankings. Most QB's know not to pass Greers way. Which is why white and RP look so bad.
But Its pretty understandable he did not have a great year, and as the best DB we have, he can only do so much. Cutting Greer makes no sense.

FinSaint · 02-14-2013, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

IF you cut these guys I think this is the break down, or close to the minus to CAP, and what it cost in 2014. Correct if wrong, so we can be somewhat accurate.

[...]

You lost me at "Will Smith, worst signing ever."

02-14-2013, 10:05 AM	#1
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Notes: Roman Harper, Jonathan Vilma and Will Smith Dropping Greer is a bad move, only decent CB we have. IF you cut these guys I think this is the break down, or close to the minus to CAP, and what it cost in 2014. Correct if wrong, so we can be somewhat accurate. LB Scott Shanle -$2.25 Sedrick Ellis -$7.6 Will Smith -$6.6 + $3.4 added to 2014 cap ( worst signing ever, cut) Jon Vilma -$4.7 + $1.3 added to 2014 cap ( may be cut ) Roman Haper -$4.1 + $2.0 add to 2014 cap ( please cut ) Brodrick Bunkly -$2.9 +$1.8 add to 2014 cap ( might have been a bad signing, but probably restructures or cut) Malcolm Jenkins -$3.15 + $750,000 add to 2014 cap (?) David Hawthorne -$3.3 +$1.5 add to 2014 cap ( maybe restructured ) Curtis Lofton -$5.1 + $2.0 add to 2014 cap ( ?) Jabari Greer -$3.4 +$2.0 add to 2014 cap (?) Jon Casillas -$1.25 Turk Mcbride -$1 Its around 16-17 million I thought. If you cut Ellis, Shanle, Smith, Harper, and Vilma or Bunkly, you have wiggle room. Or restructure some, and a bunch of 1 million dollars guys on the roster to $600,000. Loomis will figure it out. ESPN's John Clayton, one of the best in the business at crunching salary-cap numbers, projects the Saints at $16.1 million over the cap next year. And after the Saints back-loaded so many of their new and restructured contracts this past offseason, I did a breakdown that showed the combined salary-cap figures of 10 of their highest-priced players will leap from $37.1 million this year to $85.4 million next year. So even if the Saints release expensive veterans like Will Smith, Jonathan Vilma and David Hawthorne and choose not to re-sign free agents like Sedrick Ellis, Scott Shanle and Turk McBride, they still won't be able to afford many high-priced replacements." Rugby Saint II likes this.
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02-14-2013, 12:06 PM	#2
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Saints Notes: Roman Harper, Jonathan Vilma and Will Smith Originally Posted by pherein Dropping Greer is a bad move, only decent CB we have. Not as bad a move as you think. Greer has been injury riddled his whole career with the Saints. Now on top of injuries which he has never been able to get ahead of teams are singling him out and picking on him.

02-14-2013, 12:51 PM	#3
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Notes: Roman Harper, Jonathan Vilma and Will Smith Originally Posted by alleycat_126 Not as bad a move as you think. Greer has been injury riddled his whole career with the Saints. Now on top of injuries which he has never been able to get ahead of teams are singling him out and picking on him. Greer is only 30 You call injury riddled ? 2004 12 2005 16 2006 16 2007 16 2008 10 2009 9 2010 14 2011 16 2012 14 you really need to look things up a bit more before, no offense. If that is injury riddled in the NFL, then Ellis and smith and porter are paraplegic. Greer has been trailing revis in stats sense 2009, and was highly respected in Bufl. Ive shown that 100x, and scored as our 2nd highest defender in the rankings. Most QB's know not to pass Greers way. Which is why white and RP look so bad. But Its pretty understandable he did not have a great year, and as the best DB we have, he can only do so much. Cutting Greer makes no sense.
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02-14-2013, 12:42 PM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Saints Notes: Roman Harper, Jonathan Vilma and Will Smith Originally Posted by pherein IF you cut these guys I think this is the break down, or close to the minus to CAP, and what it cost in 2014. Correct if wrong, so we can be somewhat accurate. [...] You lost me at *"Will Smith, worst signing ever."*

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