Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter

03-25-2013, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I prefer Tracy over Nnamdi

No doubt, would be the cheaper option...

jnormand · 03-25-2013, 11:09 PM

Interesting thread....

FinSaint · 03-26-2013, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

No doubt, would be the cheaper option...

Cheaper isn't necessarily better on this occasion.

hagan714 · 03-26-2013, 05:14 AM

still say if
his med eval (head neck wrist knee) is ok
Contract demands are reasonable
sign him

The issue with him in coverage is he can be too overly aggressive. Looks to jump routes way too much. resulting in getting burned on dbl moves. But in his defense he got thrown in as a rookie in 2008. Now he He is at the top of the hump for developing CB. going into his 5th year should be prime time for him.

2008 lost most of his rookie season and placed on IR dislocating his wrist vs the vikes. A jump ball coverage and landed funky.
Saints rookie Porter out for season - Baltimore Sun

2009 Porter suffered what is being described as an sprained his left medial in his left knee.
New Orleans Saints lose cornerback Tracy Porter to apparent knee injury - ESPN

2010 suffered a tear of his lateral meniscus in his left knee vs panthers
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-Orleans-Saints-Tracy-Porter-has-surgery-100610

2011 Porter injured his neck breaking up a pass on the second play from scrimmage vs Tampa Bay.
Mike Williams Injury: Update on Buccaneers' WR After Tracy Porter Hit | Bleacher Report

to watch the hit
Yahoo! Video Detail for Tracy Porter injury

2012 Denver Broncos' cornerback Tracy Porter has been sidelined of late because the team's medical staff is taking precautionary measures after he showed similar symptoms to a seizure he suffered in August, according to a report from the Denver Post.
Tracy Porter injury: Broncos cornerback out as precaution because of August seizure - SB Nation Denver

Dolphins | Check in with Tracy Porter
Raiders | Interested in Tracy Porter
Tracy Porter, CB, Free Agent

Joker · 03-26-2013, 05:25 AM

Haven't we seen enough bad coverages by defensive backs. The thing we have going for us now is that the DB's we have are young and could maybe be coached to become better. Porter and Nnamdi, ones to expensive (Nnamdi) and the other well can I say Porter reminds me of David if you know what I mean. I'll always be thankful for the interceptions during the SB run but that's it. Where ever he is let him stay there and I hope he's enjoying himself.

🙈🙉🙊

FinSaint · 03-26-2013, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Porter and Nnamdi, ones to expensive (Nnamdi) and the other well can I say Porter reminds me of David if you know what I mean.

How can you continue to make that claim without any contract offer details being released to the public?!

Joker · 03-26-2013, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

How can you continue to make that claim without any contract offer details being released to the public?!

How much money left under the cap to sign the positions needed and draft picks. Do you honestly believe he'll sign a low ball contract to play for the Saint's even though he's making 4 million from Phili. IMO he has a better chance of going to the 49ers.
You trying to resume what was started yesterday. If so please don't quote me just give you opinion.

FinSaint · 03-26-2013, 06:05 AM

It's really not a matter of what I believe or don't believe, because that's all it would be in the end. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'd prefer if we'd refrain ourselves from making statements like "Asomugha will be too expensive to sign," simply because that statement isn't based on any facts - it's merely an opinion based on a feeling.

What I know is that the market for CBs has been very inflated this year, and therefore the market value for premium CBs has been set at around $5M/yr for three to four years. Another thing I know is that Asomugha had two down years with the Eagles, which have also deflated his market value from what it was two seasons ago when he left the Raiders. And the last couple of things I know are that he was born in Lafayette, so he has that familiarity with the state and the Saints' franchise. And the other thing is that he would be playing under Rob Ryan under whom he played for all those years with the Raiders, so there'd be a familiarity with the DC and the defensive scheme, which would play to his strengths - press man coverage.

With those facts in mind, I do think that it's very possible that Asomugha would be willing to sign for about $3-4M/yr for two to three years. That would not be "low balling" him, but offering him an honest market value contract. For that type of money and with the very real possibility that Asomugha will elevate his game from what it was with the Eagles - I would not call his signing "too expensive," especially if he were to earn one of the starting positions at CB.

The remaining cap is irrelevant in this conversation, because the Saints have already made him an offer which they have deemed financially acceptable to them, so if Asomugha were to sign the offer - the Saints would find a way to fit his contract under the salary cap and that is what Mickey Loomis excels at.

hagan714 · 03-26-2013, 06:24 AM

heck sign both and the draft another

Joker · 03-26-2013, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

It's really not a matter of what I believe or don't believe, because that's all it would be in the end. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'd prefer if we'd refrain ourselves from making statements like "Asomugha will be too expensive to sign," simply because that statement isn't based on any facts - it's merely an opinion based on a feeling.

What I know is that the market for CBs has been very inflated this year, and therefore the market value for premium CBs has been set at around $5M/yr for three to four years. Another thing I know is that Asomugha had two down years with the Eagles, which have also deflated his market value from what it was two seasons ago when he left the Raiders. And the last couple of things I know are that he was born in Lafayette, so he has that familiarity with the state and the Saints' franchise. And the other thing is that he would be playing under Rob Ryan under whom he played for all those years with the Raiders, so there'd be a familiarity with the DC and the defensive scheme, which would play to his strengths - press man coverage.

With those facts in mind, I do think that it's very possible that Asomugha would be willing to sign for about $3-4M/yr for two to three years. That would not be "low balling" him, but offering him an honest market mughavalue contract. For that type of money and with the very real possibility that Asomugha will elevate his game from what it was with the Eagles - I would not call his signing "too expensive," especially if he were to earn one of the starting positions at CB.

The remaining cap is irrelevant in this conversation, because the Saints have already made him an offer which they have deemed financially acceptable to them, so if Asomugha were to sign the offer - the Saints would find a way to fit his contract under the salary cap and that is what Mickey Loomis excels at.

The only facts you've pointed out is as follows:

1. Inflated market for CB
2. Born in Lafayette
3. Skills diminished with the Eagles

I have one FACT for you, if they don't generate any pass rush it doesn't matter who they sign at corner including Revis, no corner will be able to cover a NFL WR.
So in your way of thinking and the facts, if we sign a Nnamdi Asomugha it automatically gives us a better secondary based on what he did 3 years ago. REALLY!!!!!!!!

03-25-2013, 10:28 PM	#51
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03-25-2013, 11:09 PM	#52
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter Interesting thread....

03-26-2013, 01:13 AM	#53
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| No doubt, would be the cheaper option... Cheaper isn't necessarily better on this occasion. dizzle88 likes this.

03-26-2013, 05:14 AM	#54
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter still say if his med eval (head neck wrist knee) is ok Contract demands are reasonable sign him The issue with him in coverage is he can be too overly aggressive. Looks to jump routes way too much. resulting in getting burned on dbl moves. But in his defense he got thrown in as a rookie in 2008. Now he He is at the top of the hump for developing CB. going into his 5th year should be prime time for him. 2008 lost most of his rookie season and placed on IR dislocating his wrist vs the vikes. A jump ball coverage and landed funky. Saints rookie Porter out for season - Baltimore Sun 2009 Porter suffered what is being described as an sprained his left medial in his left knee. New Orleans Saints lose cornerback Tracy Porter to apparent knee injury - ESPN 2010 suffered a tear of his lateral meniscus in his left knee vs panthers http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-Orleans-Saints-Tracy-Porter-has-surgery-100610 2011 Porter injured his neck breaking up a pass on the second play from scrimmage vs Tampa Bay. Mike Williams Injury: Update on Buccaneers' WR After Tracy Porter Hit \| Bleacher Report to watch the hit Yahoo! Video Detail for Tracy Porter injury 2012 Denver Broncos' cornerback Tracy Porter has been sidelined of late because the team's medical staff is taking precautionary measures after he showed similar symptoms to a seizure he suffered in August, according to a report from the Denver Post. Tracy Porter injury: Broncos cornerback out as precaution because of August seizure - SB Nation Denver Dolphins \| Check in with Tracy Porter Raiders \| Interested in Tracy Porter Tracy Porter, CB, Free Agent Joker likes this.
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03-26-2013, 05:25 AM	#55
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter Haven't we seen enough bad coverages by defensive backs. The thing we have going for us now is that the DB's we have are young and could maybe be coached to become better. Porter and Nnamdi, ones to expensive (Nnamdi) and the other well can I say Porter reminds me of David if you know what I mean. I'll always be thankful for the interceptions during the SB run but that's it. Where ever he is let him stay there and I hope he's enjoying himself. 🙈🙉🙊

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03-26-2013, 05:33 AM	#56
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter Originally Posted by Joker Porter and Nnamdi, ones to expensive (Nnamdi) and the other well can I say Porter reminds me of David if you know what I mean. How can you continue to make that claim without any contract offer details being released to the public?!

03-26-2013, 05:39 AM	#57
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter Originally Posted by FinSaint How can you continue to make that claim without any contract offer details being released to the public?! How much money left under the cap to sign the positions needed and draft picks. Do you honestly believe he'll sign a low ball contract to play for the Saint's even though he's making 4 million from Phili. IMO he has a better chance of going to the 49ers. You trying to resume what was started yesterday. If so please don't quote me just give you opinion.

03-26-2013, 06:05 AM	#58
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter It's really not a matter of what I believe or don't believe, because that's all it would be in the end. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'd prefer if we'd refrain ourselves from making statements like "Asomugha will be too expensive to sign," simply because that statement isn't based on any facts - it's merely an opinion based on a feeling. What I know is that the market for CBs has been very inflated this year, and therefore the market value for premium CBs has been set at around $5M/yr for three to four years. Another thing I know is that Asomugha had two down years with the Eagles, which have also deflated his market value from what it was two seasons ago when he left the Raiders. And the last couple of things I know are that he was born in Lafayette, so he has that familiarity with the state and the Saints' franchise. And the other thing is that he would be playing under Rob Ryan under whom he played for all those years with the Raiders, so there'd be a familiarity with the DC and the defensive scheme, which would play to his strengths - press man coverage. With those facts in mind, I do think that it's very possible that Asomugha would be willing to sign for about $3-4M/yr for two to three years. That would not be "low balling" him, but offering him an honest market value contract. For that type of money and with the very real possibility that Asomugha will elevate his game from what it was with the Eagles - I would not call his signing "too expensive," especially if he were to earn one of the starting positions at CB. The remaining cap is irrelevant in this conversation, because the Saints have already made him an offer which they have deemed financially acceptable to them, so if Asomugha were to sign the offer - the Saints would find a way to fit his contract under the salary cap and that is what Mickey Loomis excels at.
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03-26-2013, 06:24 AM	#59
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter heck sign both and the draft another

03-26-2013, 06:27 AM	#60
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter Originally Posted by FinSaint It's really not a matter of what I believe or don't believe, because that's all it would be in the end. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'd prefer if we'd refrain ourselves from making statements like "Asomugha will be too expensive to sign," simply because that statement isn't based on any facts - it's merely an opinion based on a feeling. What I know is that the market for CBs has been very inflated this year, and therefore the market value for premium CBs has been set at around $5M/yr for three to four years. Another thing I know is that Asomugha had two down years with the Eagles, which have also deflated his market value from what it was two seasons ago when he left the Raiders. And the last couple of things I know are that he was born in Lafayette, so he has that familiarity with the state and the Saints' franchise. And the other thing is that he would be playing under Rob Ryan under whom he played for all those years with the Raiders, so there'd be a familiarity with the DC and the defensive scheme, which would play to his strengths - press man coverage. With those facts in mind, I do think that it's very possible that Asomugha would be willing to sign for about $3-4M/yr for two to three years. That would not be "low balling" him, but offering him an honest market mughavalue contract. For that type of money and with the very real possibility that Asomugha will elevate his game from what it was with the Eagles - I would not call his signing "too expensive," especially if he were to earn one of the starting positions at CB. The remaining cap is irrelevant in this conversation, because the Saints have already made him an offer which they have deemed financially acceptable to them, so if Asomugha were to sign the offer - the Saints would find a way to fit his contract under the salary cap and that is what Mickey Loomis excels at. The only facts you've pointed out is as follows: 1. Inflated market for CB 2. Born in Lafayette 3. Skills diminished with the Eagles I have one FACT for you, if they don't generate any pass rush it doesn't matter who they sign at corner including Revis, no corner will be able to cover a NFL WR. So in your way of thinking and the facts, if we sign a Nnamdi Asomugha it automatically gives us a better secondary based on what he did 3 years ago. REALLY!!!!!!!!

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