Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter

FinSaint · 03-26-2013, 06:05 AM

It's really not a matter of what I believe or don't believe, because that's all it would be in the end. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'd prefer if we'd refrain ourselves from making statements like "Asomugha will be too expensive to sign," simply because that statement isn't based on any facts - it's merely an opinion based on a feeling.

What I know is that the market for CBs has been very inflated this year, and therefore the market value for premium CBs has been set at around $5M/yr for three to four years. Another thing I know is that Asomugha had two down years with the Eagles, which have also deflated his market value from what it was two seasons ago when he left the Raiders. And the last couple of things I know are that he was born in Lafayette, so he has that familiarity with the state and the Saints' franchise. And the other thing is that he would be playing under Rob Ryan under whom he played for all those years with the Raiders, so there'd be a familiarity with the DC and the defensive scheme, which would play to his strengths - press man coverage.

With those facts in mind, I do think that it's very possible that Asomugha would be willing to sign for about $3-4M/yr for two to three years. That would not be "low balling" him, but offering him an honest market value contract. For that type of money and with the very real possibility that Asomugha will elevate his game from what it was with the Eagles - I would not call his signing "too expensive," especially if he were to earn one of the starting positions at CB.

The remaining cap is irrelevant in this conversation, because the Saints have already made him an offer which they have deemed financially acceptable to them, so if Asomugha were to sign the offer - the Saints would find a way to fit his contract under the salary cap and that is what Mickey Loomis excels at.

Joker · 03-26-2013, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

It's really not a matter of what I believe or don't believe, because that's all it would be in the end. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'd prefer if we'd refrain ourselves from making statements like "Asomugha will be too expensive to sign," simply because that statement isn't based on any facts - it's merely an opinion based on a feeling.

What I know is that the market for CBs has been very inflated this year, and therefore the market value for premium CBs has been set at around $5M/yr for three to four years. Another thing I know is that Asomugha had two down years with the Eagles, which have also deflated his market value from what it was two seasons ago when he left the Raiders. And the last couple of things I know are that he was born in Lafayette, so he has that familiarity with the state and the Saints' franchise. And the other thing is that he would be playing under Rob Ryan under whom he played for all those years with the Raiders, so there'd be a familiarity with the DC and the defensive scheme, which would play to his strengths - press man coverage.

With those facts in mind, I do think that it's very possible that Asomugha would be willing to sign for about $3-4M/yr for two to three years. That would not be "low balling" him, but offering him an honest market mughavalue contract. For that type of money and with the very real possibility that Asomugha will elevate his game from what it was with the Eagles - I would not call his signing "too expensive," especially if he were to earn one of the starting positions at CB.

The remaining cap is irrelevant in this conversation, because the Saints have already made him an offer which they have deemed financially acceptable to them, so if Asomugha were to sign the offer - the Saints would find a way to fit his contract under the salary cap and that is what Mickey Loomis excels at.

The only facts you've pointed out is as follows:

1. Inflated market for CB
2. Born in Lafayette
3. Skills diminished with the Eagles

I have one FACT for you, if they don't generate any pass rush it doesn't matter who they sign at corner including Revis, no corner will be able to cover a NFL WR.
So in your way of thinking and the facts, if we sign a Nnamdi Asomugha it automatically gives us a better secondary based on what he did 3 years ago. REALLY!!!!!!!!

FinSaint · 03-26-2013, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

The only facts you've pointed out is as follows:

1. Inflated market for CB
2. Born in Lafayette
3. Skills diminished with the Eagles

I have one FACT for you, if they don't generate any pass rush it doesn't matter who they sign at corner including Revis, no corner will be able to cover a NFL WR.
So in your way of thinking and the facts, if we sign a Nnamdi Asomugha it automatically gives us a better secondary based on what he did 3 years ago. REALLY!!!!!!!!

Yes, those were pretty much the facts that I listed, only I'd put them as:

1. Inflated market for CBs has set the market value for premium CBs at around $5M/yr.
2. Deflated market value for Asomugha because of the Eagles years makes it unlikely he'd be offered a premium CB salary.
3. Louisiana native, which suggests possible emotional ties to the geographic location and to the Saints' franchise.
4. Familiarity with Rob Ryan and his scheme, which fits Asomugha's skill set.

As for the rest of your reply; I never made a claim that signing Asomugha would automatically make the Saints' secondary better, although it probably would. And I do share your sentiment about the need for an effective pass rush to support the secondary, but those two defensive units do compliment each other as in a good pass rush will most likely make the secondary look better and vise versa, so it's not just a "one way street" in that regard. My whole point was to caution against making statements about how expensive Asomugha will be to sign without actually basing that on any factual evidence; it was never about how he'd miraculously make the Saints' defensive backfield the best in the league along with the rest of the defensive unit.

As far as Asomugha's suggested diminished skill set goes, I trust that the Saints' FO and Rob Ryan can make that call better than I can based on the limited evidence I have at my disposal. If they were willing to offer him a contract, I trust that they feel comfortable in what Asomugha can bring to the table. If they have concerns, I again trust that the contract offer reflects that in either its overall value or in its construct, as in it including performance based escalators to compensate for lower base salary.

I wish you would read my replies more carefully, since it seems that you are drawing conclusions from them that I haven't intended... then again it might just be that I'm not making myself clear enough causing the misunderstandings.

03-26-2013, 06:05 AM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter It's really not a matter of what I believe or don't believe, because that's all it would be in the end. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'd prefer if we'd refrain ourselves from making statements like "Asomugha will be too expensive to sign," simply because that statement isn't based on any facts - it's merely an opinion based on a feeling. What I know is that the market for CBs has been very inflated this year, and therefore the market value for premium CBs has been set at around $5M/yr for three to four years. Another thing I know is that Asomugha had two down years with the Eagles, which have also deflated his market value from what it was two seasons ago when he left the Raiders. And the last couple of things I know are that he was born in Lafayette, so he has that familiarity with the state and the Saints' franchise. And the other thing is that he would be playing under Rob Ryan under whom he played for all those years with the Raiders, so there'd be a familiarity with the DC and the defensive scheme, which would play to his strengths - press man coverage. With those facts in mind, I do think that it's very possible that Asomugha would be willing to sign for about $3-4M/yr for two to three years. That would not be "low balling" him, but offering him an honest market value contract. For that type of money and with the very real possibility that Asomugha will elevate his game from what it was with the Eagles - I would not call his signing "too expensive," especially if he were to earn one of the starting positions at CB. The remaining cap is irrelevant in this conversation, because the Saints have already made him an offer which they have deemed financially acceptable to them, so if Asomugha were to sign the offer - the Saints would find a way to fit his contract under the salary cap and that is what Mickey Loomis excels at.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

03-26-2013, 06:27 AM	#2
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter Originally Posted by FinSaint It's really not a matter of what I believe or don't believe, because that's all it would be in the end. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'd prefer if we'd refrain ourselves from making statements like "Asomugha will be too expensive to sign," simply because that statement isn't based on any facts - it's merely an opinion based on a feeling. What I know is that the market for CBs has been very inflated this year, and therefore the market value for premium CBs has been set at around $5M/yr for three to four years. Another thing I know is that Asomugha had two down years with the Eagles, which have also deflated his market value from what it was two seasons ago when he left the Raiders. And the last couple of things I know are that he was born in Lafayette, so he has that familiarity with the state and the Saints' franchise. And the other thing is that he would be playing under Rob Ryan under whom he played for all those years with the Raiders, so there'd be a familiarity with the DC and the defensive scheme, which would play to his strengths - press man coverage. With those facts in mind, I do think that it's very possible that Asomugha would be willing to sign for about $3-4M/yr for two to three years. That would not be "low balling" him, but offering him an honest market mughavalue contract. For that type of money and with the very real possibility that Asomugha will elevate his game from what it was with the Eagles - I would not call his signing "too expensive," especially if he were to earn one of the starting positions at CB. The remaining cap is irrelevant in this conversation, because the Saints have already made him an offer which they have deemed financially acceptable to them, so if Asomugha were to sign the offer - the Saints would find a way to fit his contract under the salary cap and that is what Mickey Loomis excels at. The only facts you've pointed out is as follows: 1. Inflated market for CB 2. Born in Lafayette 3. Skills diminished with the Eagles I have one FACT for you, if they don't generate any pass rush it doesn't matter who they sign at corner including Revis, no corner will be able to cover a NFL WR. So in your way of thinking and the facts, if we sign a Nnamdi Asomugha it automatically gives us a better secondary based on what he did 3 years ago. REALLY!!!!!!!!

03-26-2013, 07:07 AM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Saints Should Consider Re-Signing Tracy Porter Originally Posted by Joker The only facts you've pointed out is as follows: 1. Inflated market for CB 2. Born in Lafayette 3. Skills diminished with the Eagles I have one FACT for you, if they don't generate any pass rush it doesn't matter who they sign at corner including Revis, no corner will be able to cover a NFL WR. So in your way of thinking and the facts, if we sign a Nnamdi Asomugha it automatically gives us a better secondary based on what he did 3 years ago. REALLY!!!!!!!! Yes, those were pretty much the facts that I listed, only I'd put them as: 1. Inflated market for CBs has set the market value for premium CBs at around $5M/yr. 2. Deflated market value for Asomugha because of the Eagles years makes it unlikely he'd be offered a premium CB salary. 3. Louisiana native, which suggests possible emotional ties to the geographic location and to the Saints' franchise. 4. Familiarity with Rob Ryan and his scheme, which fits Asomugha's skill set. As for the rest of your reply; I never made a claim that signing Asomugha would automatically make the Saints' secondary better, although it probably would. And I do share your sentiment about the need for an effective pass rush to support the secondary, but those two defensive units do compliment each other as in a good pass rush will most likely make the secondary look better and vise versa, so it's not just a "one way street" in that regard. My whole point was to caution against making statements about how expensive Asomugha will be to sign without actually basing that on any factual evidence; it was never about how he'd miraculously make the Saints' defensive backfield the best in the league along with the rest of the defensive unit. As far as Asomugha's suggested diminished skill set goes, I trust that the Saints' FO and Rob Ryan can make that call better than I can based on the limited evidence I have at my disposal. If they were willing to offer him a contract, I trust that they feel comfortable in what Asomugha can bring to the table. If they have concerns, I again trust that the contract offer reflects that in either its overall value or in its construct, as in it including performance based escalators to compensate for lower base salary. I wish you would read my replies more carefully, since it seems that you are drawing conclusions from them that I haven't intended... then again it might just be that I'm not making myself clear enough causing the misunderstandings. Danno likes this.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

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