Saints to ask Vilma and Smith to restructure

FinSaint · 02-18-2013, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You don't get better by cutting your most talented players. You get better by signing/drafting better ones.

The thing is that I truly believe you could find a better fit for the DE position in Rob Ryan's 3-4, and a potential starter, for around $6M.

Now, Smith would bring his veteran and team leader status along him, but still I think there would be solid options for replacing him, who could be longer term solutions than Smith.

alleycat_126 · 02-19-2013, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

How are we ever going to change the D with the same players that under-perform. Bring in some new-blood at those positions. Even when Williams was the DC if it were not for the turnovers in 09 our D still stunk! I have a hard time believing we will get better keeping players well past their prime. In a 3-4 Vilma will be eaten alive, Smith will be kept for depth purposes but I don't think he's starting material in a 3-4 or a 4-3 either. I truly love my Saints and only want the best for us and them but being blind and actually being able to see are 2 totally different things.

A full blow up and retool of this Defense is a long, time consuming process....San Fran ran through a whole coaching staff before it got to that type of defensive front. If you look at the state of this team, we just don't have the time to blow this d all the way up, and then redo it before BREES skill set diminishes. I understand wanting to keep some Veterans around..... And too I bet there are still some spite issues.... Some I would love to have you around when I stick it to this B*&^% Goodell.... You should be talking about who he didn't ask to restructure and why...... Harper..... Greer..... those guys are making big money to......

lee909 · 02-19-2013, 06:54 AM

I think Harper will be asked to restructure it will be cut depending on the draft.I think he still has things to offer in the next season or two.I fully agree that we are in a position to paper over the cracks for a couple of years.
Keep the backbone of the team together another couple if years then its time for a massive splash in FA and draft in 3 years time.

hagan714 · 02-19-2013, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

What I gathered from this limited information was that the restructure would be more about a pay-cut with possibly adding an additional year or two to the present contracts. So the players would get a nice bonus immediately while understanding that they would never play those last years in reality, but then again, the parties might not even agree on the restructure and end up going separate ways.

i can see that. but no matter what the money against the cap will govern the whole thing. i think not seeing these two in black and gold next year is a stretch due to the cap hits no matter what thay do. Next year is a bit of reach to even with redoing the contract. but 1 maybe gone. now two years and i say this is all over.

mickey has his work cut out for him that for sure to speed up this time frame

Mardigras9 · 02-19-2013, 02:17 PM

The Saint organization really holds the power in both of these. Not that this is an unfair request for either anyway.

02-18-2013, 08:50 PM	#21
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints to ask Vilma and Smith to restructure Originally Posted by Danno You don't get better by cutting your most talented players. You get better by signing/drafting better ones. The thing is that I truly believe you could find a better fit for the DE position in Rob Ryan's 3-4, and a potential starter, for around $6M. Now, Smith would bring his veteran and team leader status along him, but still I think there would be solid options for replacing him, who could be longer term solutions than Smith.

02-19-2013, 06:44 AM	#22
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Saints to ask Vilma and Smith to restructure Originally Posted by halloween 65 How are we ever going to change the D with the same players that under-perform. Bring in some new-blood at those positions. Even when Williams was the DC if it were not for the turnovers in 09 our D still stunk! I have a hard time believing we will get better keeping players well past their prime. In a 3-4 Vilma will be eaten alive, Smith will be kept for depth purposes but I don't think he's starting material in a 3-4 or a 4-3 either. I truly love my Saints and only want the best for us and them but being blind and actually being able to see are 2 totally different things. A full blow up and retool of this Defense is a long, time consuming process....San Fran ran through a whole coaching staff before it got to that type of defensive front. If you look at the state of this team, we just don't have the time to blow this d all the way up, and then redo it before BREES skill set diminishes. I understand wanting to keep some Veterans around..... And too I bet there are still some spite issues.... Some I would love to have you around when I stick it to this B*&^% Goodell.... You should be talking about who he didn't ask to restructure and why...... Harper..... Greer..... those guys are making big money to......

02-19-2013, 01:32 PM	#24
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints to ask Vilma and Smith to restructure Originally Posted by FinSaint What I gathered from this limited information was that the restructure would be more about a pay-cut with possibly adding an additional year or two to the present contracts. So the players would get a nice bonus immediately while understanding that they would never play those last years in reality, but then again, the parties might not even agree on the restructure and end up going separate ways. i can see that. but no matter what the money against the cap will govern the whole thing. i think not seeing these two in black and gold next year is a stretch due to the cap hits no matter what thay do. Next year is a bit of reach to even with redoing the contract. but 1 maybe gone. now two years and i say this is all over. mickey has his work cut out for him that for sure to speed up this time frame

02-19-2013, 02:17 PM	#25
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Saints to ask Vilma and Smith to restructure The Saint organization really holds the power in both of these. Not that this is an unfair request for either anyway.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	I think Harper will be asked to restructure it will be cut depending on the draft.I think he still has things to offer in the next season or two.I fully agree that we are in a position to paper over the cracks for a couple of years. Keep the backbone of the team together another couple if years then its time for a massive splash in FA and draft in 3 years time.