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Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 481064)

Yeah, I think you have to look at UDFA, because we draft based on BPA, and know the undrafted that will be available, but target them quickly, call them the next day, and get them in here to try out. Most team would kill for a Moore or Thomas, and they have done a good job keeping them inhouse.

AA is ok. When hes on the field he does great. Problem is keeping him on the field, lol, but the talent is their.

We also have a couple 2011 drafts like Wilson and Romeus that are still in development. So its hard to pin them as a bust just yet. LOL, it took forever to get Meachum to catch the ball, but he eventually did.

Though, I completely admit our defensive drafts have been pretty bad or below average.

And thats all I was really trying to point out. We're just not as good as we (or maybe just me) thought we were.

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 481037)

I disagree. You can draft your way out of a bad defense, as long as your time horizon is FOREVER.

Problem with defenders is that they actually have to be smart enough to read the offense, intuitive enough to know how to adjust, and have the communication skills to get the other 10 guys on the same page.

Good defenses layer in a scheme that fits the abilities of the players and a commitment to tackling.

I don't think we've had the scheme, the players, or the commitment to have any kind of quality defense. And further, we can change the scheme all we want, (and have!) but the fact of the matter is that transforming this defense will require at least 15 new players. Not happening in 3 drafts, much less 1. With our available budget, the likelihood of any quality improvement for 2013 is low.

If this defense can allow just 10% fewer yards and 5% fewer points, I'd buy the online beer for the first round of the playoffs.

Then you didn't draft out of a bad defense, you developed your way out.

As far as 10% / 5%..... Or the many people thinking if we field a mediocre defense we can be Champions.... That is only correct if you include an asterisk or caveat... With ONE turnover machine/play maker.. With out that one chess piece you have out 2010 and 2011 seasons.

Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

Bmp, seems like a lot more are agreeing with me lately.

Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

nah they survive on finding the diamonds in the ruff not actual drafting solid players

Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 496340)

nah they survive on finding the diamonds in the ruff not actual drafting solid players

Was kinda the point. We drafted poorly the last 5 years.

Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

Regular season 62–34 (.646)
Postseason 5–3 (.625)

One Superbowl Victory.

Pathetic!!! I don't know how we put up with it!!!

Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 496356)

Regular season 62–34 (.646)
Postseason 5–3 (.625)

One Superbowl Victory.

Pathetic!!! I don't know how we put up with it!!!

No one said we weren't successful at other aspects of building a winning team, only that we suck at the draft lately.

Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

We don't draft we'll in the early rounds. We do pick up so,e gems in later rounds & in free agency

Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

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Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 496638)

We don't draft we'll in the early rounds. We do pick up so,e gems in later rounds & in free agency

In the overall draft process, they've actually slightly above average...

It's the awful record of first and second round picks that have kept them from being regular Super Bowl Participants...