Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

Danno · 02-20-2013, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

1979 has to be the worst draft ever, a P/K in the 1st round. What kind of drugs were they on back then?

Obviously you don't know how important a punter is. /sarcasm

RaginCajun83 · 02-20-2013, 08:00 PM

I guess not that much since there isn't one in the hall of fame /sarcasm

Danno · 02-20-2013, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

I guess not that much since there isn't one in the hall of fame /sarcasm

Combined with the fact that no team every picks one on day 1, or the fact that only 1 or 2 are drafted every year, or the fact that every team that does pick one has extra picks in the draft, or that... aww nevermind.

Seer1 · 02-20-2013, 08:05 PM

C'mon now. Morestead was one of the shining stars on our defense last year.

jeanpierre · 02-20-2013, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Saints are an offensive football team so of course the scouts would find more talent on that side of the ball and not so much on defense. Look at the Steelers, they have hit on a bunch of defensive players but have struck out on offensive and offensive linemen like its going out of style

QB Ben Roethlisberger, C Maurkice Pouncey, G/T Willie Colon (Hofstra), WR Antonio Brown, WR Mike Wallace, RB Rashard Mendenhall, RT Max Starks - Ragin you;re aching brother, cause the Steelers get it done on both sides of the ball and that's why they get perennial consideration...

Originally Posted by Danno

I suddenly have a feeling several of you bastads are just jerking my chain.

We give as good as we get Bama Lover!

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't know. Atlanta appears to have just as many misses as we have since 2006.

F*** the Clowns, we know we're better; it's Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Fran that we want comparable drafts...

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Being a scout has to be one of the hardest behind the scene jobs in sports because its a eye lash between being a genius and being unemployed

Bullshinski, take an oath to the constitution, take a weapon, and take a ride over the pond; or watch Mike Rowe - those are hard jobs! Most scouts are hired by nepotistic means and have less ability at assessing football than B&G Members!

Originally Posted by Danno

I started this thread because someone mentioned how well we drafted in later rounds. I looked and not only was that not true, the list I posted basically exposed our draft success as a myth. We've been pretty bad at it after 2006

Actually, Hagan (sorry Bro, gotta drag you in with me) and I have been banging the drum that Loomis is overrated as a GM and that he either needs to get a talent department to match his salary cap expertise and Sean Payton's Field General Skills or we need to find a new GM cause any bean counter can slot salaries and pick up Mr Benson's Dry Cleaning; because you shouldn't be named Executive of the Year because you drafted Colston in the 7th round when you and every other team passed on him for six-plus rounds!

alleycat_126 · 02-20-2013, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think there definitely are certain teams and certain scouts that are better at spotting and drafting talent than others.

I'd love to know which teams draft better than everybody else. Cause this team must be the 20 time SB champs..... The team putting all this NFL talent on the field at seven picks per season should never get beat!!!!!

alleycat_126 · 02-20-2013, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Between 2004-2008:

31.70 is the percentage of drafted players on the roster
19.50 is the percentage of players drafted who are actually starters
7.30 is the percentage of drafted pro bowl players
78.75 is the winning percentage

For which team?

3 in 10 are still on the roster. 2 in 10 actually start.

For a team with a near 80% winning mark over the 4 years in question?

That's Bill Belichik and the New England Patriots.

13 teams managed to keep 50% or more of their drafter players on the roster (maybe many of those rosters sucked). 36.4 was the highest percentage of drafted starters. The rest of the league was below that. Over the 4 years, the Patriots had the highest winning percentage.

For the Saints over the 4 years, 4 in 10 make the roster and 3 in 10 start.

It's a crap shoot Danno - at best an educated gamble. Still a gamble any way you slice it.

Preach!!!

RaginCajun83 · 02-20-2013, 08:51 PM

"Bullshinski, take an oath to the constitution, take a weapon, and take a ride over the pond; or watch Mike Rowe - those are hard jobs! Most scouts are hired by nepotistic means and have less ability at assessing football than B&G Members!"

Pretty sure I said "behind the scene jobs in sports"

How in the world did I ever compare it to any real jobs? I said IN SPORTS

No **** it doesn't compare to serving your country and I wasn't trying to say so

jeanpierre · 02-20-2013, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

"Bullshinski, take an oath to the constitution, take a weapon, and take a ride over the pond; or watch Mike Rowe - those are hard jobs! Most scouts are hired by nepotistic means and have less ability at assessing football than B&G Members!"

Pretty sure I said "behind the scene jobs in sports"

How in the world did I ever compare it to any real jobs? I said IN SPORTS

No **** it doesn't compare to serving your country and I wasn't trying to say so

Oh if you sense any aggression it's not towards you - I've heard some Saints scouts whine and ***** at a Metairie watering hole when every regular at that sports bar had been part of conversations "pre-draft" that would have put the Saints, talent-wise, in the SuperBowl years before that magical run...

jeanpierre · 02-20-2013, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

I'd love to know which teams draft better than everybody else. Cause this team must be the 20 time SB champs..... The team putting all this NFL talent on the field at seven picks per season should never get beat!!!!!

Alley, I'd put Pittsburgh, Baltimore, NY Giants, San Fran as teams that draft much better than others...

02-20-2013, 07:59 PM	#61
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 1979 has to be the worst draft ever, a P/K in the 1st round. What kind of drugs were they on back then? Obviously you don't know how important a punter is. /sarcasm

02-20-2013, 08:00 PM	#62
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? I guess not that much since there isn't one in the hall of fame /sarcasm

02-20-2013, 08:02 PM	#63
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 I guess not that much since there isn't one in the hall of fame /sarcasm Combined with the fact that no team every picks one on day 1, or the fact that only 1 or 2 are drafted every year, or the fact that every team that does pick one has extra picks in the draft, or that... aww nevermind.

02-20-2013, 08:05 PM	#64
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? C'mon now. Morestead was one of the shining stars on our defense last year.

02-20-2013, 08:14 PM	#65
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Saints are an offensive football team so of course the scouts would find more talent on that side of the ball and not so much on defense. Look at the Steelers, they have hit on a bunch of defensive players but have struck out on offensive and offensive linemen like its going out of style QB Ben Roethlisberger, C Maurkice Pouncey, G/T Willie Colon (Hofstra), WR Antonio Brown, WR Mike Wallace, RB Rashard Mendenhall, RT Max Starks - Ragin you;re aching brother, cause the Steelers get it done on both sides of the ball and that's why they get perennial consideration... Originally Posted by Danno I suddenly have a feeling several of you bastads are just jerking my chain. We give as good as we get Bama Lover! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't know. Atlanta appears to have just as many misses as we have since 2006. F* the Clowns, we know we're better; it's Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Fran that we want comparable drafts... Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Being a scout has to be one of the hardest behind the scene jobs in sports because its a eye lash between being a genius and being unemployed Bullshinski, take an oath to the constitution, take a weapon, and take a ride over the pond; or watch Mike Rowe - those are hard jobs! Most scouts are hired by nepotistic means and have less ability at assessing football than B&G Members! Originally Posted by Danno** I started this thread because someone mentioned how well we drafted in later rounds. I looked and not only was that not true, the list I posted basically exposed our draft success as a myth. We've been pretty bad at it after 2006 Actually, Hagan (sorry Bro, gotta drag you in with me) and I have been banging the drum that Loomis is overrated as a GM and that he either needs to get a talent department to match his salary cap expertise and Sean Payton's Field General Skills or we need to find a new GM cause any bean counter can slot salaries and pick up Mr Benson's Dry Cleaning; because you shouldn't be named Executive of the Year because you drafted Colston in the 7th round when you and every other team passed on him for six-plus rounds!
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02-20-2013, 08:16 PM	#66
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by Danno I think there definitely are certain teams and certain scouts that are better at spotting and drafting talent than others. I'd love to know which teams draft better than everybody else. Cause this team must be the 20 time SB champs..... The team putting all this NFL talent on the field at seven picks per season should never get beat!!!!!

02-20-2013, 08:34 PM	#67
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by saintfan Between 2004-2008: 31.70 is the percentage of drafted players on the roster 19.50 is the percentage of players drafted who are actually starters 7.30 is the percentage of drafted pro bowl players 78.75 is the winning percentage For which team? 3 in 10 are still on the roster. 2 in 10 actually start. For a team with a near 80% winning mark over the 4 years in question? That's Bill Belichik and the New England Patriots. 13 teams managed to keep 50% or more of their drafter players on the roster (maybe many of those rosters sucked). 36.4 was the highest percentage of drafted starters. The rest of the league was below that. Over the 4 years, the Patriots had the highest winning percentage. For the Saints over the 4 years, 4 in 10 make the roster and 3 in 10 start. It's a crap shoot Danno - at best an educated gamble. Still a gamble any way you slice it. Preach!!!

02-20-2013, 08:51 PM	#68
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? "Bullshinski, take an oath to the constitution, take a weapon, and take a ride over the pond; or watch Mike Rowe - those are hard jobs! Most scouts are hired by nepotistic means and have less ability at assessing football than B&G Members!" Pretty sure I said "behind the scene jobs in sports" How in the world did I ever compare it to any real jobs? I said IN SPORTS No **** it doesn't compare to serving your country and I wasn't trying to say so

02-20-2013, 09:12 PM	#69
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 "Bullshinski, take an oath to the constitution, take a weapon, and take a ride over the pond; or watch Mike Rowe - those are hard jobs! Most scouts are hired by nepotistic means and have less ability at assessing football than B&G Members!" Pretty sure I said "behind the scene jobs in sports" How in the world did I ever compare it to any real jobs? I said IN SPORTS No ** it doesn't compare to serving your country and I wasn't trying to say so Oh if you sense any aggression it's not towards you - I've heard some Saints scouts whine and *** at a Metairie watering hole when every regular at that sports bar had been part of conversations "pre-draft" that would have put the Saints, talent-wise, in the SuperBowl years before that magical run...

02-20-2013, 09:17 PM	#70
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by alleycat_126 I'd love to know which teams draft better than everybody else. Cause this team must be the 20 time SB champs..... The team putting all this NFL talent on the field at seven picks per season should never get beat!!!!! Alley, I'd put Pittsburgh, Baltimore, NY Giants, San Fran as teams that draft much better than others...

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