Jarvis Jones at 15??
 

One of the top overall talents in this year's draft could fall due to medical concerns.

Jones has absolutely shredded the SEC for that past two years and could make an immediate impact with Ryan's new defense.


If he's there at 15 would you take him?


Spinal stenosis - MayoClinic.com

Re: Jarvis Jones at 15??
 

that is a hard pick. talent is there but the red flag is large. if i picked him i would not have any long term plans for the guy. if he makes two years and the trade value is there i would move him.

big risk in my book.

Re: Jarvis Jones at 15??
 

He is the best possible player the Saints could get, ability-wise. That's the guy I want. But there is that risk.

The Spinal Stenosis was discovered during his freshman year, when he was at Southern Cal, and he had to transfer to Georgia after the USC medical staff wouldn't clear him to play. So, considering he has played this well WITH the condition, I think he'll be fine with successful surgery.

There is the holdup, though. He hasn't had the surgery yet, so we don't know how that's gonna play out. In fact, I haven't been able to find any information on whether or not he even plans on having the surgery done.

He'd be really hard to pass on, either way.

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SC staff are fraidy-cats, but knowing a bit about his condition, no way in hell.

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I love the guy... Even knowing about his medical condition if we picked him come April I'd be jumping for joy. However, that wouldn't be thinking long-term and I admit that I have a bad habit of looking for instant impact instead of great long-term investments.

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So I guess the question is, is it worth a 15th pick if we only get 4 or 5 solid years out of him?

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Definitely a gamble, but we don't really know how long any player's career is going to last. One devestating injury and that's it. I'd take the chance... We've had high draft picks lately that haven't contributed a damn thing and they're healthy!

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Having a genetic spinal issue myself... I'd err on the side of caution when it comes to these types of situations, so I would probably vote for pass if I had a vote.

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If it were a degenerative problem in his spine, I wouldn't want him. I'm confident no one would even draft him if that were the case. But this is a nerve problem, related to lack of space in the spine. If he were to have the surgery and come through successfully, then I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have a long career. Or at the very least, be able to have 6-8 good years. He would simply be subject to the same risk as any other player.

He'd be worth it for that amount of time. But considering he's already waited this long, I'm not sure what teams are gonna think about him.

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Still a projected top 10 pick. But if he's there, he's hard to pass up at 15. I'm honestly not concerned with his medical issues.

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IIRC didn't Vilma have some sort of degenerative knee issue from College?

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That is a very hard one to say and it is always a gamble in the draft. I say pull the damn trigger, yes we go for it.

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Drew Brees is already 34 so I think we should ask ourselves, realistically, how big our window is and if Jarvis Jones only has 4 or 5 good years in him, does that maximize our chances of winning it all?

I think our window is 4 or 5 years MAX, and Jones gives us a great chance to get back to the Super Bowl over that time.

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Took the words out of my mouth. Our current team doesn't have much time left to make a real run at the Super Bowl so if we can add a player that can make an instant impact... why not?! We're gonna have to do some major rebuilding in a few years anyway so let's go win it all now!

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Man, eight ifs (nine if you count -ahh ten... +3) already in this short little thread. Spinal surgery is the least certain of all except maybe brain stuff and that's for civilians. Add in massive contact at the pro level? Him not doing any worse than most of our first rounders even from a hospital bed doesn't really do me. That dude should go on into the doctor,lawyer, teacher thing. I really don't want to see him being carted off the field in black and gold after a forty minute game time delay.

Re: Jarvis Jones at 15??
 

are you kidding me???

would you take him...

You would be crazy not to take this guy. We have to hope that there are enough GMs to shy away from him. He should be a top5 pick, and there is no way he makes it out of the top 10.

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I can't recall.

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Where did anyone get spinal surgery?? Spinal Stenosis is a fancy medical term for Arthritis in the back. I know this because I have it along with a long list of other back issues. There is no surgical fix for this.

We would be crazy not to snatch this guy up. Will he play 10 yrs in the NFL, probably not. His back condition will get worse as he gets older. But for right now, he'd be a steal at 15!

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Wrong Georgia Linebacker - Ogletree is the man...

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So what are the odds of both Ogletree and Jones being around at 15?

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The problem with Ogletree is as talented as he is the guy is a moron. What was it a week or two that he was arrested for a DUI after all the off the field issues he's had in the past. Not too bright.

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Jarvis was SEC DCs nightmare. He is exa fly what our defends needs. I think we will sprint to the podium if he is there at 15

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I don't know if he had it from college but he has a problem with dead bone or tissue in his knee.


Jones condition can be quite severe, remember that big OL guy for the redskin that had the same thing? The guy wore a huge ol neck-roll thingy and could hardly move in the end.

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Are you thinking of Marcus McNeil of the Chargers? I know he had it coming out of Auburn. I think it finally ended his career.

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No, Chris Samuel, just found an article about him:

Redskins' Samuel will continue to seek medical advice for neck injury - NFL.com

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The Saints locker room will have a positive effect on this young man; he is probably the best playmaker on defense in the draft - we really need to find a way to get this guy in the black and gold...:bng:

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Oh yea, originally with the Bengals out of Alabama I think.

I discovered McNeill also had it...

He still ended up playing 6 years though.

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Geez..its NOT A NARROWING of the spine. Its is the narrowing of the space in the vertebra where the nerves pass through. You can get nerve pains in different parts of the body depending on where it is. With the amount of money he will be making, he can afford a daily chiropractor to stay adjusted. Making a big ta do over over something he can manage.

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Its still sounds like a pretty serious issue to me.

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X2 I wouldn't even wish it on rogger.

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But like with ANY illness that can have numerous side effects, doesn't mean he has them all. We have no clue how severe it is. Will it shorten his playing career, YES. We have a long time to worry about that. If he is there at 15, we take him!

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Play the man!!!:smile:

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There is an article that clearly says you can get surgery to widen the space between the vertebrae and the nerves. Most people don't have the money for that, but Jarvis will pretty soon. Surgery has been highly successful according to that article, but obviously it's no guarantee.

It's more complicated than just arthritis. Arthritis, of course, is chronic inflammation, and you can treat it, but you can't really stop it as far as I know. Some form of arthritis leads to the narrowing of space with Stenosis, and when those nerves are being squeezed it causes far more problems than just pain. But if he can get that procedure done, it should hopefully lengthen his career.

I'm no doctor, I'm just going on what information I can gather. But I'm weighing the upside verses the risk, and I still think we have to take him if he falls. I really doubt he falls that far, though.

How many qtrs can you go, full speed? I'm just trying to get a reference point. :-P

I don't have it and doubt I could last a qtr.

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So the kid is advised to leave the game and instead he plays two years of lights out football at an aggressive position in one of the top defenses last year in the toughest conference in college football.

With no ill affects.

I'd grab him at 15.

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It hasn't seemed to affect him so far.

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Whether we take him or not. I just hope the young man makes the right decision for his long term health. I love the Saints but not at the risk of someone playing football when maybe they shouldn't.

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There are better options

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:lolup:

Well i'm 40 and how old is he? From whats been said, he has spinal stenosis.
I have that and disk degeneration disease, 4 bulging disks, narrowing of the facet joints and arthritis all through out the lower back. So maybe a qtr :)

Cool! Ill make sure there are two oxygen tanks at the 1/8th. :)