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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak What I wrote is completely accurate, they way you are interpreting it is not. When a contract is over there are no more legal, business, or moral oblations on the part of either party. An athlete ...
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Re: Kristian: Restructure Brees? Not so simple, and awfully risky
Originally Posted by TheOak
You're repeating yourself, and my point remains exactly the same. I understand the technicality between a pay raise and an increased Salary. Let me say Again... Offering him more money the second time around, means they valued him at a greater price than before. Which is not in any way different than a raise. Is it a raise in legal terms? No. I don't need a lesson in legality. I'm making a simple comparison that is not hard to understand. When you say that Drew shouldn't lessen the income in his house, you are insinuating that he already has a set pay, and is taking a pay CUT. So guess what? That is legally incorrect. See where I'm going with this? But I'm not concerned about legal matters. They offered him the highest paid contract and he turned it down for even more.![]()
The argument about Drew not shopping the Market is not a strong one. I have said many times, the Saints had to keep him. Drew knew this, and used it as leverage to play market value. Yes, most players do that. But most players aren't in the neighborhood of 100 million, either. In other words, don't pretend that just because he didn't openly shop other teams, that he wasn't playing the field. You don't think his agent was feeling out other teams to get a sense of his value? You're extremely naive if you don't think so. As for your examples of the Colts and the Seahawks, please. The Colts had the number one pick! do we? No. The Seahawks got lucky on a 3rd rounder. What part of "no guarantee they work out" do you not get? sure, those guys had decent years. What about Tim Couch, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Leinart, Alex Smith (took him 6 years to be serviceable), Blaine Gabbert, Mark Sanchez, and on I could go. Peyton Manning was 36, coming off neck surgery. That's why the Colts felt they had to rebuild. It just so happened they also had the number one pick. We are in no such position. You think we can trade up? With what? You're making a ton of assumptions all in the name of defending a contract. I can't make my points any more clear, so if you only care about legalities, instead of the common sense factors, as if it makes a difference, then this has been a pointless conversation. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Kristian: Restructure Brees? Not so simple, and awfully risky
Originally Posted by burningmetal
Repeating my self? Your contradicting your self... In order for there to be a "pay raise" there has to be a "set pay", you just stated he had no "set pay". Quit spinning to suit your story.. One minute correct terms are moot then in the same paragraph you want to use correct terminology. ![]()
You keep leveraging '100 million" as if it matters, it doesn't. "Highest paid" denotes a desired status, full market value denotes exactly that and what others make in regards to Drew is moot. However... Ill play your game. Drews market value was x, accepting anything less whether is was more than he was previous making is not a sound business practice and is taking money away from his home... Accepting anything other than the FULL pay raise is absurd. Drew is Starbucks coffee... Everyone complains about the price. Many people will pay it, and do. If my employer offers me a 20% raise and I hold out and actually get a 30% raise am I greedy? The issue is not Drew making more money that he brings in to the NFLs or Benson's coffers. Drew also stood up for the position he held as the player rep in the NFLPA.. To accept a lower contract lowered what other QBs would make. Did you see what Tom Brady accepted yesterday? While good for the Patriots it was bad for every other QB looking for a new contract. NFL contracts set the market value for each position. Brady's contract gave leverage to the Ravens against Flacco. And for the last time.. NO the Saints did not HAVE to keep him. They WANTED to keep him. Need and want are entirely two different terms. Keep spinning, I am done here. |
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Re: Kristian: Restructure Brees? Not so simple, and awfully risky
Originally Posted by TheOak
Dude, have you any idea how to comprehend reading? I did not spin anything. I said I know the difference between a raise and an increase in salary. The only difference is a technicality. It's making more money than previously, either way. You're splitting hairs to argue with me. That was my point.![]()
Here's where you completely failed to understand what I was saying. I pointed out how you said to me that he shouldn't have to take less money into his house. By saying that you were suggesting that he was being asked to take a pay cut, which legally speaking (your favorite logic), is impossible because he had no set pay. I didn't contradict myself. I used that as an example of how your reasoning sounds. If I wanted to be technical about it, such as you, then I could have used the above logic. The point was that, in fact, you contradicted YOURSELF. As for your weak argument about Brady's contract hurting other QB'S. It only brings down the tag number. How many of these guys are going to accept the tag, in the first place? And since you say that Drew shouldn't care about his team's ability to sign other players, then why should Brady care about other players who aren't even his teammates? Who the the heck is really spinning things here? Want and need ARE two different things.... Except when a team wants AND needs a player. Why do you think they paid him so freaking much? It's perfectly right to want a fair contract, but in today's NFL, some of these guys cross that line, and it becomes an attitude of entitlement. You offer them the richest deal, and they not only want, but INSIST, on even more. I believe that loyalty is rewarded in life. I wouldn't expect you to understand that though. You only care about the numbers aspect. If we're talking about a journeyman type player. I don't blame them for getting as much as possible. They actually have something to worry about. But when you're a mega millionaire and you're demanding that a team pay far more than it can afford, even when it has already made you the richest offer in history, that doesn't speak well of that person. I like Drew. I don't think he's a bad guy. But the fact remains that his contract is a huge burden, ad it would have been nice if the negotiating could have been a little more reasonable for both parties. I don't care who you want to blame it on. I didn't ask you. This is how I see it, and you can disagree all you want. But don't try to tell me again that I'm contradicting myself. You were both incorrect, and hypocritical in that statement. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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