Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

You think his hamstrings are bad? Wait until he pounds his foot against the pigskin all day :-)

Then he would have a shattered foot AND a pulled hamstring.

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

I wonder how much of that was due to poor play calling by Carmichael?

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

Who said anything about two positions? He sits and waits until what has to be the most oft injured kicker in the league tweaks himself. Then he goes in and finishes up. the season. Hartley takes half a paycheck, Ivory takes the other.Everyone's still on the team, everyone's still over paid. Hey, problems are all solved.

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

Thats all im syaing if we let Chris go are WE going to get the 1ST ROUND Production out of Mark and if so when because im tired waiting...

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

The guy was the 28th pick. Some of you guys act like he was a freakin top 5 pick.

Let it go.

He's performed better than any 1st rounder we've picked since Payton's been here.

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

Well... Cameron Jordan's been pretty freaking good.

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

I didn't say he hasn't.;)

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

I think a big reason Ingrams performance hasn't been what we expected is because of the design of our offense.
Ingram goes to Atlanta he'd do well there. Easy to shine with a bunch of bums

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

I keep telling people this. I am no expert, but I am convinced that we are not seeing the whole thing, as far as Payton's vision for Mark Ingram, or why he is here in this offense. I think Payton has something NEW in mind for this offense, that he has not gotten to implement yet because of the suspensions.

Ten games out of 16 in his rookie year, to work Ingram in. Injuries. Then look at his number of touches for last year, in order -- they go up dramatically after the Philly game, and his yardage goes up too, to almost respectable per game levels (60-90 yards). When Vitt was back? Planned all along? I don't know.

That annoying play where Ingram comes in the game, they hand it off to him every time, then he runs into the back of his own lineman and falls forward three yards? I hated that play. That can't be what Sean Payton had in mind for him. It just can't. That's crazy. For whatever reason, Mark Ingram has not been integrated into the offense yet. I don't know if it's because of Carmichael, or because Payton wasn't here, or what -- I just think we have not really seen what he was brought here to do, in terms of the big picture of the offense.

Re: Holder: Saints to tender Ivory
 

The play I hated most was the one where he gets the handoff, and there's an unblocked defender directly in front of him, an unblocked defender to his left and an unblocked defender to his right.

He then gets tackled behind the LOS and some idiot in chat posts "Ingram sucks!!!"