New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen

Papa Voodoo · 03-08-2013, 03:10 PM

Sounds good to me. He can back up Bunkley.

FinSaint · 03-08-2013, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by xan

I'd resign him for the minimum with lots of incentives. Better deal than he'd get from other teams. Considering the budget, we're not going to attract anyone better.

I do get where you're coming from, but I'd personally like to see them turn the page on the failed project called Ellis.

The Dude · 03-08-2013, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Stopped reading this non-sense right there.

They have no earthly idea of what a draft bust is.

I think he meant someone who was picked in the top 10 and was a bust, not that he is one of the top ten busts ever. He is a bust. A player who is picked in the top 10 and is just average is a bust. A top ten pick should be at least a slightly above average player.

FinSaint · 03-08-2013, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I think he meant someone who was picked in the top 10 and was a bust, not that he is one of the top ten busts ever. He is a bust. A player who is picked in the top 10 and is just average is a bust. A top ten pick should be at least a slightly above average player.

But then again, one can always wonder if it's really the players fault he never lived up to his draft pick number or if it's the scouting department's fault that the player was picked where he was..?

Danno · 03-08-2013, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I think he meant someone who was picked in the top 10 and was a bust, not that he is one of the top ten busts ever. He is a bust. A player who is picked in the top 10 and is just average is a bust. A top ten pick should be at least a slightly above average player.

I could not disgree more.

A bust is a pick that simply cannot play in the NFL.

Good grief, there are literally 100's of 1st rounders over the last decade that were more of a bust than Sedric Ellis.

I'm disappointed that anyone would consider Ellis a bust. I think either they don't know what a bust is or don't know much about football.

I can agree with anyone that says he didn't quite live up to his draft position, but claiming he's a bust is just silly.

vpheughan · 03-08-2013, 09:34 PM

Take Morganna for instance, there was a BUST!!

K Major · 03-08-2013, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Take Morganna for instance, there was a BUST!!

Nice but how about this one.. Jim Druckenmiller. Boy he had Steve Mariucci fooled.

lee909 · 03-09-2013, 01:09 AM

Out of interest,say he agreed to a fair contract or even a one year deal.
Does anyone think a 3-4 would suit Ellis?

FinSaint · 03-09-2013, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Out of interest,say he agreed to a fair contract or even a one year deal.
Does anyone think a 3-4 would suit Ellis?

Better than the 4-3? I'd say no, since he is undersized and doesn't have the upper body strength to compensate for that weakness.

Ellis is the smallest DT and/or DE the Saints have on their roster, and he is an inch shorter than Bunkley who some seem to think is too small to be an effective NT in the 3-4 (despite the proof of the opposite).

He is undoubtedly best suited to be a 4-3 DT in my opinion, but that isn't really saying much.

SmashMouth · 03-09-2013, 07:14 AM

Yeah... for sure he did not live up to the press clippings... but if he takes the league min, he might provide depth.

03-08-2013, 03:10 PM	#11
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Sounds good to me. He can back up Bunkley.

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/03/06/new-orleans-saints-rumors-team-expected-to-let-go-of-two-defensive-linemen Originally Posted by xan I'd resign him for the minimum with lots of incentives. Better deal than he'd get from other teams. Considering the budget, we're not going to attract anyone better. I do get where you're coming from, but I'd personally like to see them turn the page on the failed project called Ellis.

03-08-2013, 04:50 PM	#13
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Originally Posted by Danno Stopped reading this non-sense right there. They have no earthly idea of what a draft bust is. I think he meant someone who was picked in the top 10 and was a bust, not that he is one of the top ten busts ever. He is a bust. A player who is picked in the top 10 and is just average is a bust. A top ten pick should be at least a slightly above average player.
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03-08-2013, 04:59 PM	#14
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Originally Posted by The Dude I think he meant someone who was picked in the top 10 and was a bust, not that he is one of the top ten busts ever. He is a bust. A player who is picked in the top 10 and is just average is a bust. A top ten pick should be at least a slightly above average player. But then again, one can always wonder if it's really the players fault he never lived up to his draft pick number or if it's the scouting department's fault that the player was picked where he was..? K Major likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Originally Posted by The Dude I think he meant someone who was picked in the top 10 and was a bust, not that he is one of the top ten busts ever. He is a bust. A player who is picked in the top 10 and is just average is a bust. A top ten pick should be at least a slightly above average player. I could not disgree more. A bust is a pick that simply cannot play in the NFL. Good grief, there are literally 100's of 1st rounders over the last decade that were more of a bust than Sedric Ellis. I'm disappointed that anyone would consider Ellis a bust. I think either they don't know what a bust is or don't know much about football. I can agree with anyone that says he didn't quite live up to his draft position, but claiming he's a bust is just silly.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Originally Posted by vpheughan Take Morganna for instance, there was a BUST!! Nice but how about this one.. Jim Druckenmiller. Boy he had Steve Mariucci fooled.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,793 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Out of interest,say he agreed to a fair contract or even a one year deal. Does anyone think a 3-4 would suit Ellis?

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Originally Posted by lee909 Out of interest,say he agreed to a fair contract or even a one year deal. Does anyone think a 3-4 would suit Ellis? Better than the 4-3? I'd say no, since he is undersized and doesn't have the upper body strength to compensate for that weakness. Ellis is the smallest DT and/or DE the Saints have on their roster, and he is an inch shorter than Bunkley who some seem to think is too small to be an effective NT in the 3-4 (despite the proof of the opposite). He is undoubtedly best suited to be a 4-3 DT in my opinion, but that isn't really saying much.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,044 Blog Entries: 29	Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Expected to Let Go of Two Defensive Linemen Yeah... for sure he did not live up to the press clippings... but if he takes the league min, he might provide depth.

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