Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints

ChrisXVI · 03-12-2013, 03:55 PM

Oh for God's sake... Another season of our coaches starting over-the-hill and unproductive defensive players is in our future. I know that keeping them doesn't necessarily mean that they'll still be starters, but c'mon... You know they will.

Torfino · 03-12-2013, 04:20 PM

You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.

FinSaint · 03-12-2013, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Torfino

You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.

But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money.

If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M).

You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process.

Torfino · 03-12-2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money.

If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M).

You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process.

I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership?

I personally hope we trade them though.

FinSaint · 03-12-2013, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Torfino

I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership?

I personally hope we trade them though.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to know what to make of these restructures until the terms are released.

RockyMountainSaint · 03-12-2013, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Torfino

You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.

Good point Torfino. They should be more attractive for teams to trade for.
I hadn't considered this before.

btw, welcome to the community.

03-12-2013, 03:55 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Oh for God's sake... Another season of our coaches starting over-the-hill and unproductive defensive players is in our future. I know that keeping them doesn't necessarily mean that they'll still be starters, but c'mon... You know they will.

03-12-2013, 04:20 PM	#2
Torfino Rookie Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 12	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million. RockyMountainSaint and papz like this.
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03-12-2013, 04:29 PM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by Torfino You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million. But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money. If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M). You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process. Danno, papz, TheEnigma and 1 others like this.

03-12-2013, 04:42 PM	#4
Torfino Rookie Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 12	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by FinSaint But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money. If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M). You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process. I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership? I personally hope we trade them though.
Torfino Rookie Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 12

03-12-2013, 04:49 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by Torfino I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership? I personally hope we trade them though. Yeah, it's kind of hard to know what to make of these restructures until the terms are released. Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-12-2013, 04:39 PM	#6
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by Torfino You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million. Good point Torfino. They should be more attractive for teams to trade for. I hadn't considered this before. btw, welcome to the community.

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