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I'm saying though, 100 meters is 109 yards. That's the whole football field. Running 40 yards actually happens on every play. A football field is about 53 feet long. If you're a safety you're running from sideline to sideline. It matters. But like I said, I'm just going to give it up.

How about that Keenan Lewis???

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dash - T-shirt, shorts, straight line, track start.

NFL- Full gear, avoiding contact and often getting physically disrupted, often turning a 180 from a back-pedal, half-fatigued from exertion, running with your head on a swivel, anticipation/instinc advantages...

The 40 is merely one of numerous evaluation tools and isn't a true indicator of NFL speed.

And in the NFL the race always starts after contact, which is actually a jogging start, not a track start. Someone skilled at a track start probably has at least a 10th of a second advantage over someone not skilled at a track start.

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Couldn't that be a double edged sword? The got who ran a 4.5 could be even slower then the linebacker who ran the 4.7.

Example: Roman Harper vs Curtis Lofton

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Slower how? If your referring to running thru traffic, change of direction, running in an arc or zig-zag instead of a straight line, then yes. Jenkins ran a pedestrian 40, but recorded one of the fasted 3-cones in combine history.

It is absolutely possible that someone who ran a 4.5 40 could be slower in NFL action than a guy who ran a 4.8.

Bad example though, I think Harper would run circles around Lofton, but your point is absolutely 100% correct.

Ray Lewis ran a pretty slow 4.81 40 at the combine. I don't know anyone on the planet that thinks he was a slow LB.

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True, I wouldn't really consider him fast either though. He just had a relentless motor and sheer will. I'm about to come on out of retirement and go play corner for the Saints.

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I wrote this big ole post to tell you how smart of a guy you are... but then I just decided to end it once and for all.

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Roman Harper is slow. Prolly the knee surgeries and age caught up to him. My mind still replay roman harper ran down by sam bradford.

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You didn't prove anything. You know how many people go and do combine drills and never get drafted? I showed your real elite players. You show me an average of over five years of every player at the combine at respective positions. Not to much it just says safety. Not strong. Not free. Just safety. But like I said, I'm done. I'm talking about Keenan Lewis. And me possibly taking Patrick Robinson's spot.

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You forget some of the fastest guys at the combine aren't big time prospects nor do they ever amount to anything. A lot of these small school athletes are exactly what they are... great athletes that run really really fast. But you can keep on dancing.

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So do some of the slowest guys, who also got averaged into your little chart. Lol. You're a funny guy though. I'm tired of going back and forth. What you think about Keenan Lewis? I still think we need Nnamdi paired with him.

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Wow, that went right over your head at light speed didn't it.

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I thought it did. That he's fast enough to play corner, and he's plenty fast for a FS. Now if you were to go and say Jenkins doesn't have elite speed, I'd have to agree with you. But for the last time, he's certainly not "slow".

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Don't prove nothin'. I thought I changed the subject......smh....

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Al Davis used to get enamored with combine 40 players too. Let's just fin guys who can play football.

We don't have a lack of speed at every level, we have a lack of talent. Slow players can still be great players and fast does not necessarily mean good.

But to not avoid the repeated segue, Keenan Lewis is a nice addition. We needed the depth and competition at the CB position because Robinson doesn't deserve to be default starter and Greer has struggled to stay healthy the last couple years. With Johnny Patrick being outed we are thin here. Lewis has progressed every year into a started. Good gamble grabbing the home town kid.

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Finally a CB over 5'10" and 189lbs...

Nice get Loomis!

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In rugby we play in divisions broken down by age.
Old Boys-35 and over
Masters-45 and over
We have divisions for over 50 and over 60, 70 and 80.
Our saying is "we may be old but we're slow!
I still believe that we are faster than the Saints defense. They look like they are running in mud!
I think Jenkins hustles non stop, but he ain't that bright in my opinion. Bad angles and bad tackling define Jenkins.

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I think we have adequate speed on defense. Last year with all of the cofusion we saw a lot of confused hesitation. Don't confuse that hesitation with overall speed.

Greer, Robinson, and White are pretty fast CB's
Jenkins and Harper are fast (or at worst average) for safeties
Lofton has mediocre speed for a MLB
Vilma is still fast
Hawthorne is fast
Casillas (now with the bucs) was the fastest LB in his draft class
Galette and Wilson are above average fast

We now have Lewis, who is very fast as well as having good size.

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Smarts is at least as important as speed and smarts comes from the top. It sure seems like there's a lot of judgement coming from the past couple of years where the motto was "If you ain't outta position, you ain't playin'!" How the hell can you have good angles and a good chance of tackling if your DC has you doing thumb up your ass drills for the entire game? I'm ready to give Rob a chance to see what he can do with our boys.

So to answer the question, I'm complaining about our last couple of DCs and as long as I'm at it, throw in McMahon too!

Sometimes there is a difference between speed and football speed.

A lineman could run a 4.3 40yd but if he is slow off the blocks he will get beat every time, some linemen run slow 40s but are quick as lightening ... Football speed.

I guess the answer to your question Papz is that some people worry more about what the neighbors have.

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If you remember that game Harper was on the field non-stop coming into that play. He was blitzing all the way down the field on that drive leading up to the turnover. He was gassed before the play started, but once he got the ball he gave it all he had left. It doesn't matter how good an athlete you are or how fast you normally run, once the lactic acid builds up from constant exertion the muscles begin to shut down. My son was a Division I distance swimmer so I know more than a little about this subject.

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Exactly, I can't begin to count the times I've tried to get somebody to understand this point when they bring up how Harper is slow because Bradford ran him down on that play.

Also, Vincent Jackson had a lingering foot problem which had an affect on his speed, which allowed Jenkins to run him down on that famous play this past season.

One needs to contextualize these plays because they don't take place in a vacuum.

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I don't think Roman Harper is slow because Bradford caught him. He definitely was gassed. I think he's slow...because he's slow. Lol.

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I also notice how basketball players always rub their elbow when they miss an easy shot....

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Yeah, but that was a real medical concern.

I remember that it was discussed in the pregame show and during the game, which is why I thought it was weird that it wasn't mentioned as a reason Jenkins was able to run him down when the play happened.

Anyone use hand lotion after posting lame replies? :-P

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This was our defensive play of the year and I ain't lettin' go of it until we have another one! We're going to do more than fine with Jenkins especially since he won't have to do Patrick's job as well any more.

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Interesting because:

Usain Bolt's splits during the Olympic 100m race: RT 0.165, 10m 1.85, 20m 2.87 (1.02), 30m 3.78 (0.91), 40m 4.65 (0.87)
or some at 40 yards would be approx 3.8 to 4.0?

But that is assuming Usain Bolt on an ideal surface, from starting blocks, wearing spikes for more force to push off WITHOUT being decked in Under Armour gear.

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We did well with what we had to work with.

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some people whine no matter what.

thing is, they'd never qualify for the NFL.

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If we all did qualify, then we'd be on forums whinin' about folk who did useful stuff like law enforcement, fire fighting, teaching and fixing your car.