What exactly are we complaining about?
 

If we get this deal with Lewis done, besides a LT, do we really have a glaring need somewhere?

I can see the disappointment not being able to spend a ton of money to upgrade everywhere, but a lot of the positions are already set.

DL - Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, Smith, Johnson
LB - Galette, Hawthorne, Lofton, Vilma, Wilson
CB - Greer, Lewis, Robinson, White, Mack, Johnson
S - Harper, Jenkins, Quddus, Bush

We could certainly use a little more depth, and we could probably use an upgrade at safety, but we're not in bad shape. Last year the scheme didn't fit... so we've made a change that looks like it fits our personnel better. We also have 5 draft picks to use to shore up some of our issues. We don't need that much help.

Free agency is going to be a little bland for us. Buck'er up... it's going to be alright.

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Amen... I don't no what the fuss is all about

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I think we are so use to being involved at this time of year that our uninvolvement plus the upgrades by the teams in our division ( BUCS) has everybody on edge..... Signing a few players even if it does not solve every problem probably takes the edge off!!!

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I wouldn't say we're set. We have a slow defense. Slow corners. Slow safeties. Slow linebackers. Slow DL. But eh, we'll see.

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Speed wise, only Harper is really slow. Everyone else pretty much runs what is expected of them at their position. Add a couple of young bucks in the draft, and the overall team speed improves immediately.

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I have to disagree with you on this. The fastest player on our defense is Patrick Robinson, and he's not a burner. Malcolm was too slow for corner, which is why he got moved. But the elite FS's are fast. Faster then him anyway. Don't get me started with the linebackers....

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Jenkins ran a 4.46 - 4.51 at his Pro Day and a 4.55 at the combine.

So... I'm a little confused here.

Oh and he also posted the best three-cone time for corners at the combine.

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Just people panicking cause we aren't trying to pay players as much as we can like the dolphins or bucs.

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And I remember at least a couple of huge plays that Jenkins made by running an opposing player down. I don't get it either.

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I.ve seen jenkins run its not his speed its his angle to the dangle.

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They may be slow, but they all graduated from third grade with distinction. They've got that going for them.

The defense would be 10 logs better if they learned how to tackle instead of throwing themselves on the ground face first. Is there an on-line course in remedial football basics? What's the cost? Can they get a certificate?

We need a NT and some better LB.

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Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback? The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed. Malcolm Jenkins is not fast. He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him.

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There are a few decent NT in the midrounds of the draft.Same with LB,though id like to get Barwin.

My hope is with certain teams needing players(Rams WR etc) we can move back and pick up some extra picks

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And I don't see why people want a NT. Bunkley is meant to be a 3-4 tackle. That's the system he thrived in.

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When the opposing team unveils their "3 Cone" offense, we'll be set!!

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I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow.

Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet.

Meh.

Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46.

Just stop dude.

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First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. Jenkins was the number 1 cornerback coming out of the draft that year. He fell to 14 because of his lack of speed. Deion Sanders stated that he needed to move to safety because he wasn't fast enough for cornerback, nor did he have the footwork. Guess where he got moved to?


Vincent Jackson is 30 years old. So correction, he RAN a 4.46. He's probably running the same speed as Jenkins at this age.

As far as the characteristic I named being essential for corner play, sure. You could say that. But the TRUE characteristic needed to play cornerback is the ability to cover and/or stay with your man. He didn't have the speed to do it. So he got moved. So dude, please stop making excuses for him. He's not fast.

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I know poor d-line play and lack of rush expose a defensive backfield, but I would feel A LOT MORE COMFY with at least 1 other veteran cornerback pickup thru free-agency.

With the depth at corner you posted "CB - Greer, Lewis, Robinson, Mack, Johnson" it sounds like if LEWIS gets hurt, we're right back where we were in 2012 as far as cornerback follies. Remember, we saw a lot of the back of the jersey of Robinson and Greer recently...

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I'm not turning anything around. You were spewing garbage and I'm just trying to clean it up.

First you call him slow, not you're back tracking saying he has decent speed. You're embarassing yourself. He moved to corner, but it's certainly not because of his speed. Plenty of corners in the league run a 4.5. Fact.

Yes, Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. He just had the best season of his career and in his prime. Can you verify that he's slowed down at all? He's always been a deep threat and has shown no signs of not being able to get behind receivers.

Malcolm Jenkins is not slow period. You can continue to make up stuff, but that doesn't change anything. He's not slow. You would make Al Davis proud.

Mack is still an unsigned UFA. Corey White is missing from your list of corners though so it evens out. All we NEED is some pass rush and a left tackle. I don't see us grabbing a starting left tackle in the first round draft at 15 so we have to bring in a FA in case Brown can't hack it.

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In his contract year. that worries me. we need a true NT to groom while we live out The Bunks contract.


DE is another area of concern and it need to addressed more 34 DE are needed

ILB and OLB? Big gambles going on in this group. more 34 needed

CB more is needed

S is probably the one area i think the saints have a good deep core and a chance to get a starter out of. Once again more 34 needed

ok more 34 needed is my theme.

But I have a plan

DO IT OVER A 3 TO 4 YEAR TIME FRAME

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Good Point, we're better off than we realize, however the defense must be upgraded...

I don't agree with the assessment that last year's debacle should be laid at the feet of the Bounty Beatdown or Spagnuolo's One Year Tour because, point of fact - at best, we have mediocre talent on defense...

But there are Priorities/Needs this team must address:

(01) Left Tackle (Starter) Bushrod signed with Bears; ZStrief is a plodder and that will get Brees killed; Charlie Brown is still whiffing at his opportunities and there's no Lucy to blame for possum' him...

(02) Quarterback (Backup) With all we have tied up in payroll after Brees' contract, do you really want to have just one quarterback on the roster?

(03) Defensive End (Starter) Will Smith has been drastically overpaid his last two contracts and no matter how much you pay merde, it is still merde; he's undersized anyways to play the DE in the 3-4; Now, can Akiem Hicks slide to the end? I'm not sure whether he's a starting end or...

(03) Nose Tackle (Rotational) Bunkley has rec'd very good ratings as the NT in a 3-4, but you can't burn him out and so we've got to have a rotation there; now if Hicks can evolve into a NT, then we may have something...

(04) Tight End (Backup/Two TE Sets) There's Jimmy and no one else; and to be perfectly honest, I'd like to get someone in there to spell Jimmy so he's stats won't give his lawyer as much leverage in his next contract negotiations...

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Decent speed isn't fast. He's slow relative to the position he was drafted to play. I'm not backtracking on anything. You're reading into it the way you want to. I can't verify he's slowed just like you can't verify he's still running that. So don't try me. And I also haven't made anything up. All the experts questioned his ability to play corner because of his speed. A 4.5 is fast as hell for a linebacker or lineman. But he doesn't play that...

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EXACTLY HARPER IS TOO SLOW FOR LINEBACKERUCH LESS SAFETY
And M. Jenkins is better at strong safety and trade Harper or cut him he's garbage in coverage and that's what Ryan's D needs since they have OLB to blitz
Come On I'm more worried about safety than LT cause they'll draft T. Armstead

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I MEANT HARPER IS TOO SLOW FOR LINEBACKER MUCH LESS SAFETY

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If they moved Jenkins to SS like you say, then I'll think about calling him fast.

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You are terrible. And decent speed isn't slow... which his number indicates he's more than average. Let's pretend and kid ourselves he's "slow" for a cornerback... you do realize I have him categorized as a safety right? You saying a 4.51 safety is slow? Are you saying a 4.51 free safety isn't fast? :rolleyes:

Stop the madness.

Darrell Green ran sub 4.4 into his mid 30s. Now unless you have some proof Vincent Jackson all 30 and in great shape suddenly lost some speed, 4.46 is the only number there is to go by.

But let's play your little game. What do you think Champ Bailey runs right now? He should probably move to safety 5 years ago... because he's slow.


Save face... move on.

One more thing, can you tell one of the best cornerbacks in the league right now, Richard Sherman(4.54), that he's too slow for the position. 4.63 Brandon Browner too. Oh wait, tell Brandon Flowers(4.55) in KC the same. I think they're all playing the wrong position. Send an application to the Raiders front office for a scouting job dude.

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The least of Malcolm's problems is his speed. He has proven time and again he can run down players. His has more issue getting looked away from where he will need to be and he has really struggled being opportunistic with the ball in the air. He may be better suited as a SS as his coverage skills are better than Harper in man cover, he supports the run decently and does have a nose for dislodging the ball. He hasn't proven himself as adept a pass rusher as Harper but it could only be lack of opportunity.

Frankly, if we were somehow able to upgrade FS with a better ballhawk, I could see Jenkins at SS and Harper re-signed for cheaper as both depth as well as in big nickel schemes or even as a flat out speed mismatch double edge rush. Kind of a hybrid safety position in lieu of a OLB in passing downs.

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Actually, Champ Bailey has been talking about moving to FS for years for that very reason. Just like Charles Woodson. Just like Rod Woodson. Just like Deion Sanders. Darrell Green was a freak of nature as far as speed goes. You want to compare Vincent Jackson to him? GTFOH.

When Jenkins came out they compared him to Antrel Rolle. Another tremendous college corner back who most likely wouldn't have the speed to play corner in the NFL. You know what he ran? A 4.50. Rolle got moved to FS, and so has Jenkins. If he didn't get moved because of his speed why did he get moved in the 1st place? 4.51 is decent for a FS. It damn sure it ain't fast, and it's definitely slow for a corner. The only reason he was available for us to pick him at 14 that year is because he ran such a slow 40 time. Are you kidding me bro? The 4.43 that Earl Thomas ran is fast. The 4.40 Eric Berry ran is fast. The 4.33 Troy Polamalu ran is fast.

If he was out there dominating like a Darren Sharper nobody would have to bring up his slow 40 time. If you think he's fast, he definitely doesn't play like it. He might need to hire you to remind him and stroke his ego.

So hey! He's a fast safety and corner! But before I finally end this, let's talk about the elite cornerbacks in the NFL.

Darrelle Revis - 4.38
Johnathan Joseph - 4.31
Patrick Peterson - 4.34
Richard Sherman - 4.54 (While standing 6'3" 195 lbs. It definitely shows when he goes up against faster; quicker receivers. He's very susceptible to the double move. Why? He's a slow, physical corner. Similar to what the scouts said about Jenkins. But he has better ball skills. He's a playmaker. He made up for his lack of speed.)
Cortland Finnegan - 4.34
Nnamdi Asomugha - 4.45 (6'2" 210 lbs)
Aqib Talib - 4.44
Carlos Rodgers - 4.44
Antonio Cromartie - 4.44

The list goes on. He's a slow corner.

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I think people are complaining because of this long-a@@ offseason and all we hear are falcons, 49ers, seahawks, bears fans pumping their teams up.

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Who other then Vincent Jackson has he run down? Don't get me wrong, I see the potential in Jenkins, but it's not like the guy is just flying from sideline to sideline making plays.


Vincent Jackson wasn't even in a true sprint. He was almost trotting.

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This is just total nonsense.

Harper is not slow. Too many football noobs point to that Bradford run down, but its obvious that Harper ran out of gas on that play. Don't confuse speed with stamina. Harper was gassed.

Vincent Jackson ran out of gas too. On any day of the week Vincent Jackson beats Malcolm Jenkins by 10 yards on a 100 yard sprint.

Harper has decent speed, especially for a STRONG Safety. Jenkins has average CB speed, and above average FS speed.

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Fun fact, Roman Harper actually ran a faster 40 then Malcom Jenkins.

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Jabari Greer won seven individual state track championships. .



40 Yard Dash: 4.50 seconds
Jabari Greer - CB - Tennessee - 2004 NFL Combine Results

Usain Bolt have a slow 40 but no one can pass him in the 100 meter. They need to change the 40x to 100 meters. The avg qb can throw 55 to 65 yards

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Fun fact: The NFL settled on the 40 because at that time that was the average distance a player must run to cover an NFL punt.

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Did you just try to make your point with high school accolades?

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Well for one example the Dallas game where he ran down Roy Williams and forced the game winning fumble on what would have been a sure TD.

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I am just saying you can't go by forty to determine speed maybe excelleration but not speed

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He kind of just had a good angle on him. But I'll let you have that. I rather just agree to disagree. To me, our defense is slow. So either they're playing slow, or they're just slow period. I believe we need more speed on every level, but most noticeably linebacker.