What exactly are we complaining about?

xan · 03-14-2013, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I wouldn't say we're set. We have a slow defense. Slow corners. Slow safeties. Slow linebackers. Slow DL. But eh, we'll see.

They may be slow, but they all graduated from third grade with distinction. They've got that going for them.

The defense would be 10 logs better if they learned how to tackle instead of throwing themselves on the ground face first. Is there an on-line course in remedial football basics? What's the cost? Can they get a certificate?

westbankdaze · 03-14-2013, 04:11 PM

We need a NT and some better LB.

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Jenkins ran a 4.46 - 4.51 at his Pro Day and a 4.55 at the combine.

So... I'm a little confused here.

Oh and he also posted the best three-cone time for corners at the combine.

Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback? The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed. Malcolm Jenkins is not fast. He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him.

lee909 · 03-14-2013, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

We need a NT and some better LB.

There are a few decent NT in the midrounds of the draft.Same with LB,though id like to get Barwin.

My hope is with certain teams needing players(Rams WR etc) we can move back and pick up some extra picks

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 04:18 PM

And I don't see why people want a NT. Bunkley is meant to be a 3-4 tackle. That's the system he thrived in.

vpheughan · 03-14-2013, 04:26 PM

When the opposing team unveils their "3 Cone" offense, we'll be set!!

papz · 03-14-2013, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback?

I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow.

The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed.

Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet.

Malcolm Jenkins is not fast.

Meh.

He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him.

Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46.

Just stop dude.

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow.

Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet.

Meh.

Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46.

Just stop dude.

First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. Jenkins was the number 1 cornerback coming out of the draft that year. He fell to 14 because of his lack of speed. Deion Sanders stated that he needed to move to safety because he wasn't fast enough for cornerback, nor did he have the footwork. Guess where he got moved to?

Vincent Jackson is 30 years old. So correction, he RAN a 4.46. He's probably running the same speed as Jenkins at this age.

As far as the characteristic I named being essential for corner play, sure. You could say that. But the TRUE characteristic needed to play cornerback is the ability to cover and/or stay with your man. He didn't have the speed to do it. So he got moved. So dude, please stop making excuses for him. He's not fast.

Halo · 03-14-2013, 05:28 PM

I know poor d-line play and lack of rush expose a defensive backfield, but I would feel A LOT MORE COMFY with at least 1 other veteran cornerback pickup thru free-agency.

With the depth at corner you posted "CB - Greer, Lewis, Robinson, Mack, Johnson" it sounds like if LEWIS gets hurt, we're right back where we were in 2012 as far as cornerback follies. Remember, we saw a lot of the back of the jersey of Robinson and Greer recently...

papz · 03-14-2013, 05:35 PM

I'm not turning anything around. You were spewing garbage and I'm just trying to clean it up.

First you call him slow, not you're back tracking saying he has decent speed. You're embarassing yourself. He moved to corner, but it's certainly not because of his speed. Plenty of corners in the league run a 4.5. Fact.

Yes, Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. He just had the best season of his career and in his prime. Can you verify that he's slowed down at all? He's always been a deep threat and has shown no signs of not being able to get behind receivers.

Malcolm Jenkins is not slow period. You can continue to make up stuff, but that doesn't change anything. He's not slow. You would make Al Davis proud.

03-14-2013, 04:09 PM	#11
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by rezburna I wouldn't say we're set. We have a slow defense. Slow corners. Slow safeties. Slow linebackers. Slow DL. But eh, we'll see. They may be slow, but they all graduated from third grade with distinction. They've got that going for them. The defense would be 10 logs better if they learned how to tackle instead of throwing themselves on the ground face first. Is there an on-line course in remedial football basics? What's the cost? Can they get a certificate? Halo likes this.

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03-14-2013, 04:15 PM	#13
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz Jenkins ran a 4.46 - 4.51 at his Pro Day and a 4.55 at the combine. So... I'm a little confused here. Oh and he also posted the best three-cone time for corners at the combine. Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback? The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed. Malcolm Jenkins is not fast. He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by westbankdaze We need a NT and some better LB. There are a few decent NT in the midrounds of the draft.Same with LB,though id like to get Barwin. My hope is with certain teams needing players(Rams WR etc) we can move back and pick up some extra picks

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? And I don't see why people want a NT. Bunkley is meant to be a 3-4 tackle. That's the system he thrived in. lee909 and K Major like this.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by rezburna Since when did a 4.55 become fast for a defensive back drafted with intent to play cornerback? I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow. The three-cone drill is based on quickness, change of direction, and acceleration...not speed. Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet. Malcolm Jenkins is not fast. Meh. He chased down Vincent Jackson, who looked exhausted and was pulling up. Not to mention he isn't that fast either. Jenkins made some big plays. He's got potential, but this is the make it or break it year for him. Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. Just stop dude.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz I guess you just completely ignored the other two times he posted. You called him slow, I didn't call him a burner. He has more than enough speed to play the position and certainly not one would characterize as slow. Which is key for cornerback play. They're not running 40 yard dashes out there on the football field. It's not a track meet. Meh. Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. Just stop dude. First of all, those 40 times average out to a 4.50. It's still not fast. I don't care what you say, or how you try to turn it around. A 4.50 is not fast for a supposed cornerback. It's a decent speed, for a FS, but it's still not even fast for that position. Jenkins was the number 1 cornerback coming out of the draft that year. He fell to 14 because of his lack of speed. Deion Sanders stated that he needed to move to safety because he wasn't fast enough for cornerback, nor did he have the footwork. Guess where he got moved to? Vincent Jackson is 30 years old. So correction, he RAN a 4.46. He's probably running the same speed as Jenkins at this age. As far as the characteristic I named being essential for corner play, sure. You could say that. But the TRUE characteristic needed to play cornerback is the ability to cover and/or stay with your man. He didn't have the speed to do it. So he got moved. So dude, please stop making excuses for him. He's not fast.

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,718 Blog Entries: 45	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? I know poor d-line play and lack of rush expose a defensive backfield, but I would feel A LOT MORE COMFY with at least 1 other veteran cornerback pickup thru free-agency. With the depth at corner you posted "CB - Greer, Lewis, Robinson, Mack, Johnson" it sounds like if LEWIS gets hurt, we're right back where we were in 2012 as far as cornerback follies. Remember, we saw a lot of the back of the jersey of Robinson and Greer recently...

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? I'm not turning anything around. You were spewing garbage and I'm just trying to clean it up. First you call him slow, not you're back tracking saying he has decent speed. You're embarassing yourself. He moved to corner, but it's certainly not because of his speed. Plenty of corners in the league run a 4.5. Fact. Yes, Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. He just had the best season of his career and in his prime. Can you verify that he's slowed down at all? He's always been a deep threat and has shown no signs of not being able to get behind receivers. Malcolm Jenkins is not slow period. You can continue to make up stuff, but that doesn't change anything. He's not slow. You would make Al Davis proud.
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