What exactly are we complaining about?

papz · 03-14-2013, 04:35 PM

I'm not turning anything around. You were spewing garbage and I'm just trying to clean it up.

First you call him slow, not you're back tracking saying he has decent speed. You're embarassing yourself. He moved to corner, but it's certainly not because of his speed. Plenty of corners in the league run a 4.5. Fact.

Yes, Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. He just had the best season of his career and in his prime. Can you verify that he's slowed down at all? He's always been a deep threat and has shown no signs of not being able to get behind receivers.

Malcolm Jenkins is not slow period. You can continue to make up stuff, but that doesn't change anything. He's not slow. You would make Al Davis proud.

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm not turning anything around. You were spewing garbage and I'm just trying to clean it up.

First you call him slow, not you're back tracking saying he has decent speed. You're embarassing yourself. He moved to corner, but it's certainly not because of his speed. Plenty of corners in the league run a 4.5. Fact.

Yes, Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. He just had the best season of his career and in his prime. Can you verify that he's slowed down at all? He's always been a deep threat and has shown no signs of not being able to get behind receivers.

Malcolm Jenkins is not slow period. You can continue to make up stuff, but that doesn't change anything. He's not slow. You would make Al Davis proud.

Decent speed isn't fast. He's slow relative to the position he was drafted to play. I'm not backtracking on anything. You're reading into it the way you want to. I can't verify he's slowed just like you can't verify he's still running that. So don't try me. And I also haven't made anything up. All the experts questioned his ability to play corner because of his speed. A 4.5 is fast as hell for a linebacker or lineman. But he doesn't play that...

papz · 03-14-2013, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Decent speed isn't fast. He's slow relative to the position he was drafted to play. I'm not backtracking on anything. You're reading into it the way you want to. I can't verify he's slowed just like you can't verify he's still running that. So don't try me. And I also haven't made anything up. All the experts questioned his ability to play corner because of his speed. A 4.5 is fast as hell for a linebacker or lineman. But he doesn't play that...

You are terrible. And decent speed isn't slow... which his number indicates he's more than average. Let's pretend and kid ourselves he's "slow" for a cornerback... you do realize I have him categorized as a safety right? You saying a 4.51 safety is slow? Are you saying a 4.51 free safety isn't fast?

Stop the madness.

Darrell Green ran sub 4.4 into his mid 30s. Now unless you have some proof Vincent Jackson all 30 and in great shape suddenly lost some speed, 4.46 is the only number there is to go by.

But let's play your little game. What do you think Champ Bailey runs right now? He should probably move to safety 5 years ago... because he's slow.

Save face... move on.

One more thing, can you tell one of the best cornerbacks in the league right now, Richard Sherman(4.54), that he's too slow for the position. 4.63 Brandon Browner too. Oh wait, tell Brandon Flowers(4.55) in KC the same. I think they're all playing the wrong position. Send an application to the Raiders front office for a scouting job dude.

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by papz

You are terrible. And decent speed isn't slow... which his number indicates he's more than average. Let's pretend and kid ourselves he's "slow" for a cornerback... you do realize I have him categorized as a safety right? You saying a 4.51 safety is slow? Are you saying a 4.51 free safety isn't fast?

Stop the madness.

Darrell Green ran sub 4.4 into his mid 30s. Now unless you have some proof Vincent Jackson all 30 and in great shape suddenly lost some speed, 4.46 is the only number there is to go by.

But let's play your little game. What do you think Champ Bailey runs right now? He should probably move to safety 5 years ago... because he's slow.

Save face... move on.

Actually, Champ Bailey has been talking about moving to FS for years for that very reason. Just like Charles Woodson. Just like Rod Woodson. Just like Deion Sanders. Darrell Green was a freak of nature as far as speed goes. You want to compare Vincent Jackson to him? GTFOH.

When Jenkins came out they compared him to Antrel Rolle. Another tremendous college corner back who most likely wouldn't have the speed to play corner in the NFL. You know what he ran? A 4.50. Rolle got moved to FS, and so has Jenkins. If he didn't get moved because of his speed why did he get moved in the 1st place? 4.51 is decent for a FS. It damn sure it ain't fast, and it's definitely slow for a corner. The only reason he was available for us to pick him at 14 that year is because he ran such a slow 40 time. Are you kidding me bro? The 4.43 that Earl Thomas ran is fast. The 4.40 Eric Berry ran is fast. The 4.33 Troy Polamalu ran is fast.

If he was out there dominating like a Darren Sharper nobody would have to bring up his slow 40 time. If you think he's fast, he definitely doesn't play like it. He might need to hire you to remind him and stroke his ego.

So hey! He's a fast safety and corner! But before I finally end this, let's talk about the elite cornerbacks in the NFL.

Darrelle Revis - 4.38
Johnathan Joseph - 4.31
Patrick Peterson - 4.34
Richard Sherman - 4.54 (While standing 6'3" 195 lbs. It definitely shows when he goes up against faster; quicker receivers. He's very susceptible to the double move. Why? He's a slow, physical corner. Similar to what the scouts said about Jenkins. But he has better ball skills. He's a playmaker. He made up for his lack of speed.)
Cortland Finnegan - 4.34
Nnamdi Asomugha - 4.45 (6'2" 210 lbs)
Aqib Talib - 4.44
Carlos Rodgers - 4.44
Antonio Cromartie - 4.44

The list goes on. He's a slow corner.

papz · 03-14-2013, 07:46 PM

I wrote this big ole post to tell you how smart of a guy you are... but then I just decided to end it once and for all.

2013 NFL draft - Five-year NFL combine averages - ESPN

rezburna · 03-14-2013, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I wrote this big ole post to tell you how smart of a guy you are... but then I just decided to end it once and for all.

2013 NFL draft - Five-year NFL combine averages - ESPN

You didn't prove anything. You know how many people go and do combine drills and never get drafted? I showed your real elite players. You show me an average of over five years of every player at the combine at respective positions. Not to much it just says safety. Not strong. Not free. Just safety. But like I said, I'm done. I'm talking about Keenan Lewis. And me possibly taking Patrick Robinson's spot.

03-14-2013, 04:35 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? I'm not turning anything around. You were spewing garbage and I'm just trying to clean it up. First you call him slow, not you're back tracking saying he has decent speed. You're embarassing yourself. He moved to corner, but it's certainly not because of his speed. Plenty of corners in the league run a 4.5. Fact. Yes, Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. He just had the best season of his career and in his prime. Can you verify that he's slowed down at all? He's always been a deep threat and has shown no signs of not being able to get behind receivers. Malcolm Jenkins is not slow period. You can continue to make up stuff, but that doesn't change anything. He's not slow. You would make Al Davis proud.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

03-14-2013, 04:59 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz I'm not turning anything around. You were spewing garbage and I'm just trying to clean it up. First you call him slow, not you're back tracking saying he has decent speed. You're embarassing yourself. He moved to corner, but it's certainly not because of his speed. Plenty of corners in the league run a 4.5. Fact. Yes, Vincent Jackson runs a 4.46. He just had the best season of his career and in his prime. Can you verify that he's slowed down at all? He's always been a deep threat and has shown no signs of not being able to get behind receivers. Malcolm Jenkins is not slow period. You can continue to make up stuff, but that doesn't change anything. He's not slow. You would make Al Davis proud. Decent speed isn't fast. He's slow relative to the position he was drafted to play. I'm not backtracking on anything. You're reading into it the way you want to. I can't verify he's slowed just like you can't verify he's still running that. So don't try me. And I also haven't made anything up. All the experts questioned his ability to play corner because of his speed. A 4.5 is fast as hell for a linebacker or lineman. But he doesn't play that...

03-14-2013, 06:20 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by rezburna Decent speed isn't fast. He's slow relative to the position he was drafted to play. I'm not backtracking on anything. You're reading into it the way you want to. I can't verify he's slowed just like you can't verify he's still running that. So don't try me. And I also haven't made anything up. All the experts questioned his ability to play corner because of his speed. A 4.5 is fast as hell for a linebacker or lineman. But he doesn't play that... You are terrible. And decent speed isn't slow... which his number indicates he's more than average. Let's pretend and kid ourselves he's "slow" for a cornerback... you do realize I have him categorized as a safety right? You saying a 4.51 safety is slow? Are you saying a 4.51 free safety isn't fast? Stop the madness. Darrell Green ran sub 4.4 into his mid 30s. Now unless you have some proof Vincent Jackson all 30 and in great shape suddenly lost some speed, 4.46 is the only number there is to go by. But let's play your little game. What do you think Champ Bailey runs right now? He should probably move to safety 5 years ago... because he's slow. Save face... move on. One more thing, can you tell one of the best cornerbacks in the league right now, Richard Sherman(4.54), that he's too slow for the position. 4.63 Brandon Browner too. Oh wait, tell Brandon Flowers(4.55) in KC the same. I think they're all playing the wrong position. Send an application to the Raiders front office for a scouting job dude.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way. Last edited by papz; 03-14-2013 at 06:26 PM..

03-14-2013, 06:49 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz You are terrible. And decent speed isn't slow... which his number indicates he's more than average. Let's pretend and kid ourselves he's "slow" for a cornerback... you do realize I have him categorized as a safety right? You saying a 4.51 safety is slow? Are you saying a 4.51 free safety isn't fast? Stop the madness. Darrell Green ran sub 4.4 into his mid 30s. Now unless you have some proof Vincent Jackson all 30 and in great shape suddenly lost some speed, 4.46 is the only number there is to go by. But let's play your little game. What do you think Champ Bailey runs right now? He should probably move to safety 5 years ago... because he's slow. Save face... move on. Actually, Champ Bailey has been talking about moving to FS for years for that very reason. Just like Charles Woodson. Just like Rod Woodson. Just like Deion Sanders. Darrell Green was a freak of nature as far as speed goes. You want to compare Vincent Jackson to him? GTFOH. When Jenkins came out they compared him to Antrel Rolle. Another tremendous college corner back who most likely wouldn't have the speed to play corner in the NFL. You know what he ran? A 4.50. Rolle got moved to FS, and so has Jenkins. If he didn't get moved because of his speed why did he get moved in the 1st place? 4.51 is decent for a FS. It damn sure it ain't fast, and it's definitely slow for a corner. The only reason he was available for us to pick him at 14 that year is because he ran such a slow 40 time. Are you kidding me bro? The 4.43 that Earl Thomas ran is fast. The 4.40 Eric Berry ran is fast. The 4.33 Troy Polamalu ran is fast. If he was out there dominating like a Darren Sharper nobody would have to bring up his slow 40 time. If you think he's fast, he definitely doesn't play like it. He might need to hire you to remind him and stroke his ego. So hey! He's a fast safety and corner! But before I finally end this, let's talk about the elite cornerbacks in the NFL. Darrelle Revis - 4.38 Johnathan Joseph - 4.31 Patrick Peterson - 4.34 Richard Sherman - 4.54 (While standing 6'3" 195 lbs. It definitely shows when he goes up against faster; quicker receivers. He's very susceptible to the double move. Why? He's a slow, physical corner. Similar to what the scouts said about Jenkins. But he has better ball skills. He's a playmaker. He made up for his lack of speed.) Cortland Finnegan - 4.34 Nnamdi Asomugha - 4.45 (6'2" 210 lbs) Aqib Talib - 4.44 Carlos Rodgers - 4.44 Antonio Cromartie - 4.44 The list goes on. He's a slow corner.

03-14-2013, 07:46 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? I wrote this big ole post to tell you how smart of a guy you are... but then I just decided to end it once and for all. 2013 NFL draft - Five-year NFL combine averages - ESPN

03-14-2013, 07:50 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: What exactly are we complaining about? Originally Posted by papz I wrote this big ole post to tell you how smart of a guy you are... but then I just decided to end it once and for all. 2013 NFL draft - Five-year NFL combine averages - ESPN You didn't prove anything. You know how many people go and do combine drills and never get drafted? I showed your real elite players. You show me an average of over five years of every player at the combine at respective positions. Not to much it just says safety. Not strong. Not free. Just safety. But like I said, I'm done. I'm talking about Keenan Lewis. And me possibly taking Patrick Robinson's spot.

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