Bryant McKinnie LT

Joker · 03-23-2013, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

...and you don't think there's already been quite a lot of changes with the defensive unit as a whole?

I'd certainly take either Vollmer or Winston over McKinnie, but I just don't know if the Saints' FO is really looking at filling the LT position with any of these guys mentioned.

Really, they made a bunch of changes by signing 1 CB and 1 LB, other than that that's the only changes that have been made. I forgot restructured a few washed up veterans big undeserving contracts. Rob still needs pass rushers, I don't care how many corners they sign.

You don't think the Saints wouldn't take either of those two guys for a LT, who's the one player on the saints team that the team goes as he goes ? Yea you're right, Drew Brees. So,lets depend on a rookie to protect his blindside. If they could afford either of those two guys and plug a few more holes on defense they would be all over Vollmer.

Danno · 03-23-2013, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by xan

This FA market for the Saints is looking like a claiming race at the track. All the nags are lame and old but you're betting that one just might have one last race in them.

We are desperate. Bring in 50 rookies. Better shot green than withered.

Nothing wrong with an experienced stop-gap on the cheap. It worked out very well with Sharper.

The only aging guys we're serious about are Nnamdi and maybe this McKinnie LT, which we desperately need.

And the only reason we're interested in Nnamdi is because of ties to Ryan.

Joker · 03-23-2013, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by xan

This FA market for the Saints is looking like a claiming race at the track. All the nags are lame and old but you're betting that one just might have one last race in them.

We are desperate. Bring in 50 rookies. Better shot green than withered.

Lets see a rookie LT get the 100 million dollar QB killed and the season as well.

FinSaint · 03-23-2013, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Really, they made a bunch of changes by signing 1 CB and 1 LB, other than that that's the only changes that have been made. I forgot restructured a few washed up veterans big undeserving contracts. Rob still needs pass rushers, I don't care how many corners they sign.

How about changing their defensive coordinator?

How about changing from a base 4-3 defense to a 3-4 base defense?

How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart?

Originally Posted by Joker

You don't think the Saints wouldn't take either of those two guys for a LT, who's the one player on the saints team that the team goes as he goes ? Yea you're right, Drew Brees. So,lets depend on a rookie to protect his blindside. If they could afford either of those two guys and plug a few more holes on defense they would be all over Vollmer.

When did I ever state that I thought that the Saints wouldn't take any and all of those OTs mentioned if they could afford them and fit them on the active roster?

I merely stated that I don't know what the Saints' FO's plans are for replacing Bushrod as the LT, and I think that's probably true for 99% of the posters here - accounting for the slight chance that some FO members are trolling around on these boards.

Joker · 03-23-2013, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

How about changing their defensive coordinator?

How about changing from a base 4-3 defense to a 3-4 base defense?

How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart?

When did I ever state that I thought that the Saints wouldn't take any and all of those OTs mentioned if they could afford them and fit them on the active roster?

I merely stated that I don't know what the Saints' FO's plans are for replacing Bushrod as the LT, and I think that's probably true for 99% of the posters here - accounting for the slight chance that some FO members are trolling around on these boards.

Sedric Ellis is a Free Agent contract over, no need to sign him, I did mention Rob Ryan but that's not changing personnell.

ChrisXVI · 03-23-2013, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Lets see a rookie LT get the 100 million dollar QB killed and the season as well.

Dude, Bushrod was terrible! You know how we always say that the LT and RT positions aren't that important to the Saints because we invest heavily in the interior of the O Line? Well that logic sprung out of having sub-par tackles and Drew having phenomenal pocket awareness and it hasn't exactly hurt the team so far. Drew has only broken every QB record. We'll plug someone in at LT whomever it happens to be and we'll be fine!

Joker · 03-23-2013, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Dude, Bushrod was terrible! You know how we always say that the LT and RT positions aren't that important to the Saints because we invest heavily in the interior of the O Line? Well that logic sprung out of having sub-par tackles and Drew having phenomenal pocket awareness and it hasn't exactly hurt the team so far. Drew has only broken every QB record. We'll plug someone in at LT whomever it happens to be and we'll be fine!

That's why Chicago chose him over all the other LT out there including Long. I hope we don't find out just how good Bushrod was over what's left on the roster. I agree he wasn't an elite LT and needed help against good DE but he was serviceable

ChrisXVI · 03-23-2013, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

That's why Chicago chose him over all the other LT out there including Long. I hope we don't find out just how good Bushrod was over what's left on the roster. I agree he wasn't an elite LT and needed help against good DE but he was serviceable

Yeah because Chicago has made such wonderful decisions regarding their O-Line LOL. Cutler could fill you in on that! Here's a good review of the Bears signing Bushrod...

Bears sign OT Jermon Bushrod (5 years, $36M; $17.7M guaranteed): Z- Grade
I can't take this signing seriously, so I'm not grading it seriously either. The fact that the Bears think they're actually upgrading J'Marcus Webb at left tackle by obtaining Jermon Bushrod is an absolute joke. In fact, I really don't think the front office has watched a second of Bushrod's tape.

Bushrod allowed tons of pressures every week. The reason his sack total was so low was because Drew Brees released the ball so quickly. Bushrod's sack numbers will increase exponentially as he's trying to block for Jay Cutler. That means Cutler will likely miss multiple games due to injury yet again. The Bears would be better off with Webb manning the blind-side position again. I find it so ridiculous that an NFL front office would pay so much money to a pedestrian player.

FinSaint · 03-23-2013, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Sedric Ellis is a Free Agent contract over, no need to sign him, I did mention Rob Ryan but that's not changing personnell.

I know Ellis is an UFA and that is why I never said anything about signing him... just that it's good to see someone like him who has underperformed for many years at an important defensive position depart from the team when his contract is up and not see the team re-sign him for some curious reason:

Originally Posted by FinSaint

How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart?

And about the defensive changes... what I stated originally was:

Originally Posted by FinSaint

...and you don't think there's already been quite a lot of changes with the defensive unit as a whole?

I never claimed that the defensive changes were all to the personnel, but to the defensive unit as a whole, which IMO includes the defensive coordinator running things and the main scheme he uses to utilize the players at hand. Making this conversation about the personnel changes was all about you steering it that way or a misunderstanding on both of our parts on what the other one was talking about.

ChrisXVI · 03-23-2013, 10:53 AM

I'm starting to think that Joker is just that... a joke account that just bashes everything the Saints are doing.

03-23-2013, 09:47 AM	#31
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by FinSaint ...and you don't think there's already been quite a lot of changes with the defensive unit as a whole? I'd certainly take either Vollmer or Winston over McKinnie, but I just don't know if the Saints' FO is really looking at filling the LT position with any of these guys mentioned. Really, they made a bunch of changes by signing 1 CB and 1 LB, other than that that's the only changes that have been made. I forgot restructured a few washed up veterans big undeserving contracts. Rob still needs pass rushers, I don't care how many corners they sign. You don't think the Saints wouldn't take either of those two guys for a LT, who's the one player on the saints team that the team goes as he goes ? Yea you're right, Drew Brees. So,lets depend on a rookie to protect his blindside. If they could afford either of those two guys and plug a few more holes on defense they would be all over Vollmer.

03-23-2013, 09:54 AM	#32
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by xan This FA market for the Saints is looking like a claiming race at the track. All the nags are lame and old but you're betting that one just might have one last race in them. We are desperate. Bring in 50 rookies. Better shot green than withered. Nothing wrong with an experienced stop-gap on the cheap. It worked out very well with Sharper. The only aging guys we're serious about are Nnamdi and maybe this McKinnie LT, which we desperately need. And the only reason we're interested in Nnamdi is because of ties to Ryan.

03-23-2013, 10:01 AM	#33
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by xan This FA market for the Saints is looking like a claiming race at the track. All the nags are lame and old but you're betting that one just might have one last race in them. We are desperate. Bring in 50 rookies. Better shot green than withered. Lets see a rookie LT get the 100 million dollar QB killed and the season as well.

03-23-2013, 10:17 AM	#34
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by Joker Really, they made a bunch of changes by signing 1 CB and 1 LB, other than that that's the only changes that have been made. I forgot restructured a few washed up veterans big undeserving contracts. Rob still needs pass rushers, I don't care how many corners they sign. How about changing their defensive coordinator? How about changing from a base 4-3 defense to a 3-4 base defense? How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart? Originally Posted by Joker You don't think the Saints wouldn't take either of those two guys for a LT, who's the one player on the saints team that the team goes as he goes ? Yea you're right, Drew Brees. So,lets depend on a rookie to protect his blindside. If they could afford either of those two guys and plug a few more holes on defense they would be all over Vollmer. When did I ever state that I thought that the Saints wouldn't take any and all of those OTs mentioned if they could afford them and fit them on the active roster? I merely stated that I don't know what the Saints' FO's plans are for replacing Bushrod as the LT, and I think that's probably true for 99% of the posters here - accounting for the slight chance that some FO members are trolling around on these boards.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

03-23-2013, 10:25 AM	#35
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by FinSaint How about changing their defensive coordinator? How about changing from a base 4-3 defense to a 3-4 base defense? How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart? When did I ever state that I thought that the Saints wouldn't take any and all of those OTs mentioned if they could afford them and fit them on the active roster? I merely stated that I don't know what the Saints' FO's plans are for replacing Bushrod as the LT, and I think that's probably true for 99% of the posters here - accounting for the slight chance that some FO members are trolling around on these boards. Sedric Ellis is a Free Agent contract over, no need to sign him, I did mention Rob Ryan but that's not changing personnell.

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03-23-2013, 10:26 AM	#36
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by Joker Lets see a rookie LT get the 100 million dollar QB killed and the season as well. Dude, Bushrod was terrible! You know how we always say that the LT and RT positions aren't that important to the Saints because we invest heavily in the interior of the O Line? Well that logic sprung out of having sub-par tackles and Drew having phenomenal pocket awareness and it hasn't exactly hurt the team so far. Drew has only broken every QB record. We'll plug someone in at LT whomever it happens to be and we'll be fine!

03-23-2013, 10:29 AM	#37
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Dude, Bushrod was terrible! You know how we always say that the LT and RT positions aren't that important to the Saints because we invest heavily in the interior of the O Line? Well that logic sprung out of having sub-par tackles and Drew having phenomenal pocket awareness and it hasn't exactly hurt the team so far. Drew has only broken every QB record. We'll plug someone in at LT whomever it happens to be and we'll be fine! That's why Chicago chose him over all the other LT out there including Long. I hope we don't find out just how good Bushrod was over what's left on the roster. I agree he wasn't an elite LT and needed help against good DE but he was serviceable

03-23-2013, 10:36 AM	#38
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by Joker That's why Chicago chose him over all the other LT out there including Long. I hope we don't find out just how good Bushrod was over what's left on the roster. I agree he wasn't an elite LT and needed help against good DE but he was serviceable Yeah because Chicago has made such wonderful decisions regarding their O-Line LOL. Cutler could fill you in on that! Here's a good review of the Bears signing Bushrod... Bears sign OT Jermon Bushrod (5 years, $36M; $17.7M guaranteed): Z- Grade I can't take this signing seriously, so I'm not grading it seriously either. The fact that the Bears think they're actually upgrading J'Marcus Webb at left tackle by obtaining Jermon Bushrod is an absolute joke. In fact, I really don't think the front office has watched a second of Bushrod's tape. Bushrod allowed tons of pressures every week. The reason his sack total was so low was because Drew Brees released the ball so quickly. Bushrod's sack numbers will increase exponentially as he's trying to block for Jay Cutler. That means Cutler will likely miss multiple games due to injury yet again. The Bears would be better off with Webb manning the blind-side position again. I find it so ridiculous that an NFL front office would pay so much money to a pedestrian player.

03-23-2013, 10:39 AM	#39
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT Originally Posted by Joker Sedric Ellis is a Free Agent contract over, no need to sign him, I did mention Rob Ryan but that's not changing personnell. I know Ellis is an UFA and that is why I never said anything about signing him... just that it's good to see someone like him who has underperformed for many years at an important defensive position depart from the team when his contract is up and not see the team re-sign him for some curious reason: Originally Posted by FinSaint How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart? And about the defensive changes... what I stated originally was: Originally Posted by FinSaint ...and you don't think there's already been quite a lot of changes with the defensive unit as a whole? I never claimed that the defensive changes were all to the personnel, but to the defensive unit as a whole, which IMO includes the defensive coordinator running things and the main scheme he uses to utilize the players at hand. Making this conversation about the personnel changes was all about you steering it that way or a misunderstanding on both of our parts on what the other one was talking about.
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03-23-2013, 10:53 AM	#40
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Bryant McKinnie LT I'm starting to think that Joker is just that... a joke account that just bashes everything the Saints are doing.

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