James Harrison to Saints?

burningmetal · 03-27-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Torfino

Leadership not so much? According to his Steelers teammates he was a big presence in the locker room, a leader by example in the weight room and film room, and many would take a bullet for him. Almost any story you read about him mentions him as a team leader and very popular with teammates.

How can we not want DeBo on our team? Mr Monday Night? The Assassin? The SilverBack? All nicknames given to him by teammates and Steelers announcers because he's strong as an ox and knocks people the **** out. This guy is a beast and would look at home in the black and gold.

They all work out. That's not the leadership I'm looking for. A cheap shot artist, and a guy who whines constantly. No thanks. I don't want that on my team. You can have your work out warrior.

Just another distraction we don't need. I'm already not happy we brought in Ryan, for that reason.

jcp026 · 03-26-2013, 09:32 PM

He has a nastiness to him that I don't think many on our team have. I'm on the fence.

hagan714 · 03-26-2013, 09:47 PM

all of patriot nation hates the guy and he hates them.
thats enough for me.

Mr.Riaton · 03-26-2013, 09:51 PM

You got my vote on this guy!

nycsaintfan · 03-26-2013, 10:22 PM

Considering the problems we've had with this pass rush, I can't see how anyone would not want Harrison on this team. Granted he is getting up in age, and not the player he once was, if we can get him for the right price its a chance worth taking.

burningmetal · 03-26-2013, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

Considering the problems we've had with this pass rush, I can't see how anyone would not want Harrison on this team. Granted he is getting up in age, and not the player he once was, if we can get him for the right price its a chance worth taking.

My two personal reasons why I don't want him are this:

1- He's a major douche bag (not good for team chemistry).
2- He isn't simply not as good as he used to be. He's not even close.

The fact that he's 35 doesn't help, but if the first two reasons didn't apply, then I would take him at a low cost.

WhoDat!656 · 03-26-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

My two personal reasons why I don't want him are this:

1- He's a major douche bag (not good for team chemistry).

What exactly about him makes him a 'major douche bag'? I know he has gotten a lot personal foul calls and been penalized a lot by Dar Kommissar.
2- He isn't simply not as good as he used to be. He's not even close.

The fact that he's 35 doesn't help, but if the first two reasons didn't apply, then I would take him at a low cost.

There will probably be a lot of people on this forum saying the same thing about Brees when he gets to that age.

The Saints defense needs all the play-makers we can get; I am fairly certain that you would agree to that.

I wouldn't sign Harrison if it meant the Saints wouldn't have the cap space left to sign Butler or a decent FA LT!!

frydaddy · 03-27-2013, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

There will probably be a lot of people on this forum saying the same thing about Brees when he gets to that age.

Well my friend, while I don't doubt that you're right about there being people who'll say that, I would counter by saying that there is a pretty huge difference between a 35 year old qb and a 35 year old pass rusher. The idea is to stay upright as much as possible as a qb. As a pass rusher there are a couple of things you need for success. The ability to take on and fight through blocks, and closing speed to the qb. These are the things I worry about Harrison lacking at this point in his career. Might he still have something left in the tank? Sure, but I tend to think probably not. Apparently the steelers have informed him theres no chance of him coming back, even though he expressed a desire to come back, and had to have been willing to take significantly less money considering lack of interest on the open market. I just don't see it. I really doubt it would actually happen anyway, so *shrug*

burningmetal · 03-27-2013, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

There will probably be a lot of people on this forum saying the same thing about Brees when he gets to that age.

The Saints defense needs all the play-makers we can get; I am fairly certain that you would agree to that.

I wouldn't sign Harrison if it meant the Saints wouldn't have the cap space left to sign Butler or a decent FA LT!!

QB's can play a long time when healthy. Pass rushers lose their quickness and speed much faster, and the decline is usually rapid, as has been the case over the last two years with Harrison. QB's don't need that. He's a system player, and we have guys in house who have a great chance to succeed without bringing in a 35 year old loud mouth who has had problems staying healthy recently.

That last part might be the biggest concern, physically speaking. He has been hurt, and at his age, the decline is highly likely to continue at a rapid pace.

Some of you have the opinion that he's good enough. That's fine. But I'm going on what I have seen over and over with players like him, at this stage of their career, and I have drawn the conclusion that I'd rather not have anything to do with him.

nycsaintfan · 03-27-2013, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

My two personal reasons why I don't want him are this:

1- He's a major douche bag (not good for team chemistry).
2- He isn't simply not as good as he used to be. He's not even close.

The fact that he's 35 doesn't help, but if the first two reasons didn't apply, then I would take him at a low cost.

I think there are enough veterans in the Saints clubhouse that can keep his personality in check. I agree that he is not the player that he once was. But with that said, if you are getting Harrison at a reasonable price with incentives writing into the contract, it might be a chance worth taking. At this point there aren't many pass rushers on the market. Harrison would fill a need and it would not be a long term investment.

Of course this is all speculation at this point.

03-27-2013, 01:34 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by Torfino Leadership not so much? According to his Steelers teammates he was a big presence in the locker room, a leader by example in the weight room and film room, and many would take a bullet for him. Almost any story you read about him mentions him as a team leader and very popular with teammates. How can we not want DeBo on our team? Mr Monday Night? The Assassin? The SilverBack? All nicknames given to him by teammates and Steelers announcers because he's strong as an ox and knocks people the **** out. This guy is a beast and would look at home in the black and gold. They all work out. That's not the leadership I'm looking for. A cheap shot artist, and a guy who whines constantly. No thanks. I don't want that on my team. You can have your work out warrior. Just another distraction we don't need. I'm already not happy we brought in Ryan, for that reason.

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03-26-2013, 10:49 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by nycsaintfan Considering the problems we've had with this pass rush, I can't see how anyone would not want Harrison on this team. Granted he is getting up in age, and not the player he once was, if we can get him for the right price its a chance worth taking. My two personal reasons why I don't want him are this: 1- He's a major douche bag (not good for team chemistry). 2- He isn't simply not as good as he used to be. He's not even close. The fact that he's 35 doesn't help, but if the first two reasons didn't apply, then I would take him at a low cost. FinSaint likes this.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,092	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by burningmetal My two personal reasons why I don't want him are this: 1- He's a major douche bag (not good for team chemistry). What exactly about him makes him a 'major douche bag'? I know he has gotten a lot personal foul calls and been penalized a lot by Dar Kommissar. 2- He isn't simply not as good as he used to be. He's not even close. The fact that he's 35 doesn't help, but if the first two reasons didn't apply, then I would take him at a low cost. There will probably be a lot of people on this forum saying the same thing about Brees when he gets to that age. The Saints defense needs all the play-makers we can get; I am fairly certain that you would agree to that. I wouldn't sign Harrison if it meant the Saints wouldn't have the cap space left to sign Butler or a decent FA LT!!

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frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 There will probably be a lot of people on this forum saying the same thing about Brees when he gets to that age. Well my friend, while I don't doubt that you're right about there being people who'll say that, I would counter by saying that there is a pretty huge difference between a 35 year old qb and a 35 year old pass rusher. The idea is to stay upright as much as possible as a qb. As a pass rusher there are a couple of things you need for success. The ability to take on and fight through blocks, and closing speed to the qb. These are the things I worry about Harrison lacking at this point in his career. Might he still have something left in the tank? Sure, but I tend to think probably not. Apparently the steelers have informed him theres no chance of him coming back, even though he expressed a desire to come back, and had to have been willing to take significantly less money considering lack of interest on the open market. I just don't see it. I really doubt it would actually happen anyway, so shrug burningmetal likes this.
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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 There will probably be a lot of people on this forum saying the same thing about Brees when he gets to that age. The Saints defense needs all the play-makers we can get; I am fairly certain that you would agree to that. I wouldn't sign Harrison if it meant the Saints wouldn't have the cap space left to sign Butler or a decent FA LT!! QB's can play a long time when healthy. Pass rushers lose their quickness and speed much faster, and the decline is usually rapid, as has been the case over the last two years with Harrison. QB's don't need that. He's a system player, and we have guys in house who have a great chance to succeed without bringing in a 35 year old loud mouth who has had problems staying healthy recently. That last part might be the biggest concern, physically speaking. He has been hurt, and at his age, the decline is highly likely to continue at a rapid pace. Some of you have the opinion that he's good enough. That's fine. But I'm going on what I have seen over and over with players like him, at this stage of their career, and I have drawn the conclusion that I'd rather not have anything to do with him.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by burningmetal My two personal reasons why I don't want him are this: 1- He's a major douche bag (not good for team chemistry). 2- He isn't simply not as good as he used to be. He's not even close. The fact that he's 35 doesn't help, but if the first two reasons didn't apply, then I would take him at a low cost. I think there are enough veterans in the Saints clubhouse that can keep his personality in check. I agree that he is not the player that he once was. But with that said, if you are getting Harrison at a reasonable price with incentives writing into the contract, it might be a chance worth taking. At this point there aren't many pass rushers on the market. Harrison would fill a need and it would not be a long term investment. Of course this is all speculation at this point.
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