Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract

burningmetal · 03-28-2013, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Well that settles it. I am predicting the Saints to pick OT D.J. Fluker with the #1 pick now. This by far would be the pick that is needed in my book.

If we had a 2nd rounder and we don't pick an OT in the first, then he'd be a solid choice. He would be a massive reach at #15, though. It would most likely be Lane Johnson if we pick a tackle first. I'm really not that high on any of the tackles who will be available when we pick, to be honest. But Johnson seems to be the best of them.

I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too.

nycsaintfan · 03-29-2013, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too.

We won't have a shot at Ansah. Vaccaro should be there at 15, unless someone with a need at safety decides to trade up before our pick. However, everything that I've heard on Jarvis Jones is that his name is sliding. Unless your like me and value production, and of course what the tape showed you, then he would be a steal of a pick at 15 or lower. He sliding because of a bad pro day. But I don't need Jones to run a 4.4 40-yard dash on the field, all he needs to do is get to the quarter back. It looks like he did that more than enough in his college career.

Being that Butler is in the fold now I'm not sure the Saints would make him a priority pick in the first round. But if we were to trade down and he was there, it would be hard not to take him.

Honestly, a part of me would love to see the Saints take Tavon Austin with that pick at 15. I know we don't have a true need for another playmaker. But with all of the weapons we do have, he would make us even more difficult to defend.

burningmetal · 03-29-2013, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

We won't have a shot at Ansah. Vaccaro should be there at 15, unless someone with a need at safety decides to trade up before our pick. However, everything that I've heard on Jarvis Jones is that his name is sliding. Unless your like me and value production, and of course what the tape showed you, then he would be a steal of a pick at 15 or lower. He sliding because of a bad pro day. But I don't need Jones to run a 4.4 40-yard dash on the field, all he needs to do is get to the quarter back. It looks like he did that more than enough in his college career.

Being that Butler is in the fold now I'm not sure the Saints would make him a priority pick in the first round. But if we were to trade down and he was there, it would be hard not to take him.

Honestly, a part of me would love to see the Saints take Tavon Austin with that pick at 15. I know we don't have a true need for another playmaker. But with all of the weapons we do have, he would make us even more difficult to defend.

I don't think we have no shot with Ansah. There are mixed opinions on how high he'll go because of his lack of experience, though is talent is off the charts. But there is a good chance he doesn't make it to us, which is why I say IF he falls to us.

I completely agree with your take on Jarvis Jones, though. I've been saying those things about him since I first heard about his pro day. The guy dominated every team he played in the most dominant conference in America.

I know he played on the other side of the ball, but I'm going to use this example anyway. Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 at his pro day, or whatever they called it back then. As we know, he went on to be the best receiver of all time.

On a more recent note, Terrell Suggs was said to have a similar pro day. He turned out alright. I'm pretty sure Jones can run faster than what his workout suggested, but as long as he produces it really doesn't matter to me. There are a lot of fast players who have no idea how to produce. You gotta be strong, smart, quick and have no wasted motion. Those things allow you to be precise in your route to the QB or in getting open, or in getting through the hole if you're a running back. Apparently Jarvis does a lot of things well to put up the numbers he has.

I thought about if the signing of Butler changes the plans. I do think it will deter the Saints from taking a LB at 15 UNLESS it's Jones. He's too good, and would fit the system perfectly. Butler should help us, but he doesn't have near the high ceiling that Jones has, IMO. We're talking about a guy who could potentially put up 20 sack seasons. We shall see though. I feel a lot better about our options with the additions we've made.

voodooido · 03-29-2013, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

If we had a 2nd rounder and we don't pick an OT in the first, then he'd be a solid choice. He would be a massive reach at #15, though. It would most likely be Lane Johnson if we pick a tackle first. I'm really not that high on any of the tackles who will be available when we pick, to be honest. But Johnson seems to be the best of them.

I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too.

I agree Johnson would be the better pick. I doubt he will be there though. I have seen many mocks having him go in the top 12 every time. And I think the only reason Luker would go as late as early rd2 is because of the depth in this years draft at OT.

03-28-2013, 07:46 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract Originally Posted by voodooido Well that settles it. I am predicting the Saints to pick OT D.J. Fluker with the #1 pick now. This by far would be the pick that is needed in my book. If we had a 2nd rounder and we don't pick an OT in the first, then he'd be a solid choice. He would be a massive reach at #15, though. It would most likely be Lane Johnson if we pick a tackle first. I'm really not that high on any of the tackles who will be available when we pick, to be honest. But Johnson seems to be the best of them. I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-29-2013, 01:23 AM	#2
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract Originally Posted by burningmetal I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too. We won't have a shot at Ansah. Vaccaro should be there at 15, unless someone with a need at safety decides to trade up before our pick. However, everything that I've heard on Jarvis Jones is that his name is sliding. Unless your like me and value production, and of course what the tape showed you, then he would be a steal of a pick at 15 or lower. He sliding because of a bad pro day. But I don't need Jones to run a 4.4 40-yard dash on the field, all he needs to do is get to the quarter back. It looks like he did that more than enough in his college career. Being that Butler is in the fold now I'm not sure the Saints would make him a priority pick in the first round. But if we were to trade down and he was there, it would be hard not to take him. Honestly, a part of me would love to see the Saints take Tavon Austin with that pick at 15. I know we don't have a true need for another playmaker. But with all of the weapons we do have, he would make us even more difficult to defend.
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03-29-2013, 01:24 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract Originally Posted by nycsaintfan We won't have a shot at Ansah. Vaccaro should be there at 15, unless someone with a need at safety decides to trade up before our pick. However, everything that I've heard on Jarvis Jones is that his name is sliding. Unless your like me and value production, and of course what the tape showed you, then he would be a steal of a pick at 15 or lower. He sliding because of a bad pro day. But I don't need Jones to run a 4.4 40-yard dash on the field, all he needs to do is get to the quarter back. It looks like he did that more than enough in his college career. Being that Butler is in the fold now I'm not sure the Saints would make him a priority pick in the first round. But if we were to trade down and he was there, it would be hard not to take him. Honestly, a part of me would love to see the Saints take Tavon Austin with that pick at 15. I know we don't have a true need for another playmaker. But with all of the weapons we do have, he would make us even more difficult to defend. I don't think we have no shot with Ansah. There are mixed opinions on how high he'll go because of his lack of experience, though is talent is off the charts. But there is a good chance he doesn't make it to us, which is why I say IF he falls to us. I completely agree with your take on Jarvis Jones, though. I've been saying those things about him since I first heard about his pro day. The guy dominated every team he played in the most dominant conference in America. I know he played on the other side of the ball, but I'm going to use this example anyway. Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 at his pro day, or whatever they called it back then. As we know, he went on to be the best receiver of all time. On a more recent note, Terrell Suggs was said to have a similar pro day. He turned out alright. I'm pretty sure Jones can run faster than what his workout suggested, but as long as he produces it really doesn't matter to me. There are a lot of fast players who have no idea how to produce. You gotta be strong, smart, quick and have no wasted motion. Those things allow you to be precise in your route to the QB or in getting open, or in getting through the hole if you're a running back. Apparently Jarvis does a lot of things well to put up the numbers he has. I thought about if the signing of Butler changes the plans. I do think it will deter the Saints from taking a LB at 15 UNLESS it's Jones. He's too good, and would fit the system perfectly. Butler should help us, but he doesn't have near the high ceiling that Jones has, IMO. We're talking about a guy who could potentially put up 20 sack seasons. We shall see though. I feel a lot better about our options with the additions we've made.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-29-2013, 04:37 PM	#4
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract Originally Posted by burningmetal If we had a 2nd rounder and we don't pick an OT in the first, then he'd be a solid choice. He would be a massive reach at #15, though. It would most likely be Lane Johnson if we pick a tackle first. I'm really not that high on any of the tackles who will be available when we pick, to be honest. But Johnson seems to be the best of them. I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too. I agree Johnson would be the better pick. I doubt he will be there though. I have seen many mocks having him go in the top 12 every time. And I think the only reason Luker would go as late as early rd2 is because of the depth in this years draft at OT.
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