Time to trade for your Left Tackle.......

alleycat_126 · 03-29-2013, 01:37 PM

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papz · 03-29-2013, 01:48 PM

I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough.

alleycat_126 · 03-29-2013, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough.

I'll point this out again, the top three tackles Jockel,Fisher, Johnson won't make it past 11. That leaves D.J. Fluker....who I wouldn't pick as high as 15 when there are talented tackles in that later rounds.

Saffold is not a high priced LT, he's in the final year of his rookie deal....ivory for Saffold gives them something for the pick they have invested 3 years in and gives them some backfield help for isiah pead, for us 2 million off the books and a LT for a year at rookie salary, if he's good you give him under what you would have given Bushrod, if not you can start looking at jake Matthews.

papz · 03-29-2013, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

I'll point this out again, the top three tackles Jockel,Fisher, Johnson won't make it past 11. That leaves D.J. Fluker....who I wouldn't pick as high as 15 when there are talented tackles in that later rounds.

Saffold is not a high priced LT, he's in the final year of his rookie deal....ivory for Saffold gives them something for the pick they have invested 3 years in and gives them some backfield help for isiah pead, for us 2 million off the books and a LT for a year at rookie salary, if he's good you give him under what you would have given Bushrod, if not you can start looking at jake Matthews.

We know Joeckel and Fisher won't be there. Johnson on the other hand could very well be there at 15. Regardless if he's there or not, it doesn't change my train of thought. If we took someone in the 3rd or 4th and felt he could do the job, I'd be okay with it... I'm not stuck on it having to be one of the top 3 tackles.

While Saffold isn't getting paid right now, he will be. If we're trading a high draft pick for Saffold, it's not something we should be looking at short sighted. It's going to cost a lot to re-sign him. Otherwise it would be senseless to trade a high draft pick for him if our intentions was to keep him for only one year. It would also be senseless to take a wait and see approach on a contract situation as you've pointed out. If he doesn't work out and we cut our losses, we're back at square one and still wasted a draft pick... a high one at that.

The idea of Ivory for Saffold is also unrealistic... very unrealistic. Extremely unrealistic. Brittle backup running back for a starting left tackle. I'm sure I don't have to go any further with that.

Don't get me wrong though... I wouldn't be disappointed if we made a move for him at all. I just don't think we need to especially if it's going to cost us a draft pick or two that coincides with his ability.

alleycat_126 · 03-29-2013, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by papz

We know Joeckel and Fisher won't be there. Johnson on the other hand could very well be there at 15. Regardless if he's there or not, it doesn't change my train of thought. If we took someone in the 3rd or 4th and felt he could do the job, I'd be okay with it... I'm not stuck on it having to be one of the top 3 tackles.

While Saffold isn't getting paid right now, he will be. If we're trading a high draft pick for Saffold, it's not something we should be looking at short sighted. It's going to cost a lot to re-sign him. Otherwise it would be senseless to trade a high draft pick for him if our intentions was to keep him for only one year. It would also be senseless to take a wait and see approach on a contract situation as you've pointed out. If he doesn't work out and we cut our losses, we're back at square one and still wasted a draft pick... a high one at that.

The idea of Ivory for Saffold is also unrealistic... very unrealistic. Extremely unrealistic. Brittle backup running back for a starting left tackle. I'm sure I don't have to go any further with that.

Don't get me wrong though... I wouldn't be disappointed if we made a move for him at all. I just don't think we need to especially if it's going to cost us a draft pick or two that coincides with his ability.

We are not in a position to trade draft picks away, not even for Brandon Albert. That thought never entered my mind. We do however have a boatload of running backs and since the SJ release that is not their strong suit. ingram/or Ivory for Saffold has plenty of merit, yes Saffold is a starting left tackle, but he is a disgruntled starting LT who will if he doesn't demand a trade, will bolt once the opportunity presents itself leaving the rams with nothing for there investment. Why not get something now rather than wait on him to leave with no compensation.

hagan714 · 03-29-2013, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

We are not in a position to trade draft picks away, not even for Brandon Albert.

That one is not so far fetched as one may think. trade our 1st and get albert and a pick or two in later rounds and/ or swapping potions in a round, say round 3. the differ the balance of picks to next years draft for us.

i can see SP and Reed open to the idea now that Reid is in the AFC. they do have a history together

As far as the LOT OT of the rams he is worth a look at but there is a reason they signed long. could it be the kid needs to move to ROT? if so there is a glut on the market for ROT so the price maybe right. kicking tires and lighting fires

papz · 03-29-2013, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

ingram for Saffold

Now if you were selling me this from the start, I can see how it makes sense for both parties. Don't really know if I'd do it, but it would be an intriguing deal. I'm by no means Ingram's number 1 fan, but I'd like to see him breakout and become a franchise back here. There's still some solid LT's left on the market... I'd kick the tires on them first.

With that said, the Rams did use a second round pick on Pead and are also pretty high on Richardson... who at one point in the season, looked like their future. They may not find Ingram all that appealing.

The Dude · 03-29-2013, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough.

I agree. We don't need a super star at LT, just a guy who can get the job done. In our system our guards are more important in protection than our tackles. Bring in someone solid and thats all we need. Money can be used in other areas.

Danno · 03-29-2013, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I agree. We don't need a super star at LT, just a guy who can get the job done. In our system our guards are more important in protection than our tackles. Bring in someone solid and thats all we need. Money can be used in other areas.

Unfortunately just a decent LT will be 4-6 million per year.

Bushrod was slightly above average and got 7 million/year.

A mid 1st round draft pick will get a 4 year contract about 2 million/year.

If Lane Johnson is there at 15 (which I doubt, but its possible), we'd be fools not to draft him.

zoltar26 · 03-29-2013, 01:59 PM

Just watched some film on Dallas Thomas out of Tennessee. If we can snag a 2nd round he could be worth picking up..Started 2 years at LT and one a G so he brings versatility

03-29-2013, 01:37 PM	#1
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Fisher: No contact with Saffold since Long signing : Sports Still could be had..... Mickey get this handled!!!!!

03-29-2013, 01:48 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough. Danno and jeanpierre like this.

03-29-2013, 02:07 PM	#3
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Originally Posted by papz I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough. I'll point this out again, the top three tackles Jockel,Fisher, Johnson won't make it past 11. That leaves D.J. Fluker....who I wouldn't pick as high as 15 when there are talented tackles in that later rounds. Saffold is not a high priced LT, he's in the final year of his rookie deal....ivory for Saffold gives them something for the pick they have invested 3 years in and gives them some backfield help for isiah pead, for us 2 million off the books and a LT for a year at rookie salary, if he's good you give him under what you would have given Bushrod, if not you can start looking at jake Matthews. lee909 likes this.

03-29-2013, 02:37 PM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Originally Posted by alleycat_126 I'll point this out again, the top three tackles Jockel,Fisher, Johnson won't make it past 11. That leaves D.J. Fluker....who I wouldn't pick as high as 15 when there are talented tackles in that later rounds. Saffold is not a high priced LT, he's in the final year of his rookie deal....ivory for Saffold gives them something for the pick they have invested 3 years in and gives them some backfield help for isiah pead, for us 2 million off the books and a LT for a year at rookie salary, if he's good you give him under what you would have given Bushrod, if not you can start looking at jake Matthews. We know Joeckel and Fisher won't be there. Johnson on the other hand could very well be there at 15. Regardless if he's there or not, it doesn't change my train of thought. If we took someone in the 3rd or 4th and felt he could do the job, I'd be okay with it... I'm not stuck on it having to be one of the top 3 tackles. While Saffold isn't getting paid right now, he will be. If we're trading a high draft pick for Saffold, it's not something we should be looking at short sighted. It's going to cost a lot to re-sign him. Otherwise it would be senseless to trade a high draft pick for him if our intentions was to keep him for only one year. It would also be senseless to take a wait and see approach on a contract situation as you've pointed out. If he doesn't work out and we cut our losses, we're back at square one and still wasted a draft pick... a high one at that. The idea of Ivory for Saffold is also unrealistic... very unrealistic. Extremely unrealistic. Brittle backup running back for a starting left tackle. I'm sure I don't have to go any further with that. Don't get me wrong though... I wouldn't be disappointed if we made a move for him at all. I just don't think we need to especially if it's going to cost us a draft pick or two that coincides with his ability. Danno and nycsaintfan like this.
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03-29-2013, 05:18 PM	#5
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Originally Posted by papz We know Joeckel and Fisher won't be there. Johnson on the other hand could very well be there at 15. Regardless if he's there or not, it doesn't change my train of thought. If we took someone in the 3rd or 4th and felt he could do the job, I'd be okay with it... I'm not stuck on it having to be one of the top 3 tackles. While Saffold isn't getting paid right now, he will be. If we're trading a high draft pick for Saffold, it's not something we should be looking at short sighted. It's going to cost a lot to re-sign him. Otherwise it would be senseless to trade a high draft pick for him if our intentions was to keep him for only one year. It would also be senseless to take a wait and see approach on a contract situation as you've pointed out. If he doesn't work out and we cut our losses, we're back at square one and still wasted a draft pick... a high one at that. The idea of Ivory for Saffold is also unrealistic... very unrealistic. Extremely unrealistic. Brittle backup running back for a starting left tackle. I'm sure I don't have to go any further with that. Don't get me wrong though... I wouldn't be disappointed if we made a move for him at all. I just don't think we need to especially if it's going to cost us a draft pick or two that coincides with his ability. We are not in a position to trade draft picks away, not even for Brandon Albert. That thought never entered my mind. We do however have a boatload of running backs and since the SJ release that is not their strong suit. ingram/or Ivory for Saffold has plenty of merit, yes Saffold is a starting left tackle, but he is a disgruntled starting LT who will if he doesn't demand a trade, will bolt once the opportunity presents itself leaving the rams with nothing for there investment. Why not get something now rather than wait on him to leave with no compensation.

03-29-2013, 05:32 PM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Originally Posted by alleycat_126 We are not in a position to trade draft picks away, not even for Brandon Albert. That one is not so far fetched as one may think. trade our 1st and get albert and a pick or two in later rounds and/ or swapping potions in a round, say round 3. the differ the balance of picks to next years draft for us. i can see SP and Reed open to the idea now that Reid is in the AFC. they do have a history together As far as the LOT OT of the rams he is worth a look at but there is a reason they signed long. could it be the kid needs to move to ROT? if so there is a glut on the market for ROT so the price maybe right. kicking tires and lighting fires
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03-29-2013, 06:07 PM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Originally Posted by alleycat_126 ingram for Saffold Now if you were selling me this from the start, I can see how it makes sense for both parties. Don't really know if I'd do it, but it would be an intriguing deal. I'm by no means Ingram's number 1 fan, but I'd like to see him breakout and become a franchise back here. There's still some solid LT's left on the market... I'd kick the tires on them first. With that said, the Rams did use a second round pick on Pead and are also pretty high on Richardson... who at one point in the season, looked like their future. They may not find Ingram all that appealing.
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03-29-2013, 02:39 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Originally Posted by papz I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough. I agree. We don't need a super star at LT, just a guy who can get the job done. In our system our guards are more important in protection than our tackles. Bring in someone solid and thats all we need. Money can be used in other areas.
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03-29-2013, 05:29 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Originally Posted by The Dude I agree. We don't need a super star at LT, just a guy who can get the job done. In our system our guards are more important in protection than our tackles. Bring in someone solid and thats all we need. Money can be used in other areas. Unfortunately just a decent LT will be 4-6 million per year. Bushrod was slightly above average and got 7 million/year. A mid 1st round draft pick will get a 4 year contract about 2 million/year. If Lane Johnson is there at 15 (which I doubt, but its possible), we'd be fools not to draft him.

03-29-2013, 01:59 PM	#10
zoltar26 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Haughton, LA Posts: 20	Re: Time to trade for your Left Tackle....... Just watched some film on Dallas Thomas out of Tennessee. If we can snag a 2nd round he could be worth picking up..Started 2 years at LT and one a G so he brings versatility

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