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Saints War room: NFL draft




Great watch

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Like the logic. Boy, looking at that depth chart really helps narrow our needs down...

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Hmmmm, packaging our 1st and 3rd to move up to get Johnson? Interesting idea. Potentially solves the LT issue for years to come, but no D help worries me

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Thats why I like that he pointed out that the Saints have had much success picking Offensive Lineman in the later rounds. I really think if we trade back to gather more picks, its to get more talent and depth on the defensive side of the ball in the early half of the picks we have and OL/Skill players with the later half.

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Our D issues were address in FA and coaching. It's about as good as it will get or we need.

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The loss of Aaron Kromer concerns me when discussing this topic. I'm not saying he was the reason we have had a good amount of success with late round O lineman, but I'm curious to see if his departure causes a negative impact.

With all the talk of trading down, I'm still on the BPA bandwagon. Oak is right, we addressed a few big defensive needs in FA with some nice pickups with great $$ deals, so I would really like us to take the BPA on our board and entertain trade-down offers should the opportunity arise.

And if some RB hungry team ahead of us (I'm looking at you NYJ and maybe the Bolts, outside chance of Cards) wants to package their 1st for our 1st and Ivory on draft day in the heat of the moment (I know I'm dreaming but can't a man dream?) I would probably cackle with anticipation as I drum my fingertips together

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I still see a glaring need at OLB, maybe even ILB

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Looks pretty much like I've been reading here. Isn't the guy with the gray suit the guy who said Newton sucked?

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OLB - Butler, Gallett, Wilson, Broughton, Romeus
ILB - Hawthorn, Lofton, Herring, Humber, Chamberlain, Johnson, Vilma,

We have 12 line backers.. you want more?

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i love the the conditions put on DE to OLB switch a lot of

"woulda coulda shoulda"

that's the best athlete available not the best player available

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Thanks OAK, this chart really makes sense to me. Looking at this, I see the need for a couple of OL, both LT and a versatile backup. There's also a real lack at LDE. There's Jordan, then there's Man-In-A-Cast. I can really see Hicks moving over to that side so that really means our lack is at NT. The last space I see begging is at safety. I just don't see Harper as being able to do it anymore. Here's how I see our draft, two OL, an NT, a Safety and ?? Not BPA, but Best Position Player Available.

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It would be hard to knock L.Johnson Pick.OT is a key component t to success, it is safe and tends to be long term solution. The Saints have tend to devalue this position. NT is one of our biggest needs. It is historically very risky 1st rd pick. OLB pass rusher is a key need. If a player that we have highly rated.is there @#15 we take him. There are a lot of really talented 34 DE prospects and don't think you can ever have enough good big lineman. This especially true in a 34 that demands a lot of the front three. The Saints will not manufacture a pick. Can't wait for the draft.

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I think LT is our biggest need.

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SS is the biggest need imo...

The good thing is there is a lot of talent available at 15 so I dont care whom they take as long as they produce at a first round level. Our 1st round draft picks have been awful (with the exception of Jordan) for some time now.

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There's a lot of mediocre talent at 15. This draft is not as deep as in years past. There's no reason to trade up, and every reason to trade down; however, I don't see any value picks from teams jumping up in the mid round to fill gaping holes.

Best athlete available. We got so many holes, we can make use of the guy somewhere.

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I think we desperately need a LT......but we also desperately need a safety. Decisions decisions.......

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Ye ole list o needs...

LT
DT
DE
OLB
WR
CB
RT
FS
SS
K
ILB
OG
TE
RB
FB
P
LS
QB

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LS!

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Don't forget some GSs.

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I still think either safety position has to be ranked ahead of corner.

Good list of needs...

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Whattya' all think about Eric Fisher/Central Michigan at LT? They compare him to CMU alum Joe Staley/49'ers. Small school, under-the-radar kind of pick the Saints are famous for? Would he go early or would he be around @ 15 or later? Around here they say he'll be a high draft pick, but I don't see anyone talking about him nationally. Local boy, he did visit the Lions & they need a LT as well.

Eric Fisher Draft Profile

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We have three OLBs and three ILBs who could be starters.

Romeus (knock on wood when you say his name) and Braylon B are DEs with zero PT in the NFL.

It's Vilma's last season. Lofton's the future. Hawthorne (knee and hamstring) could be good.

Chamberlain (torn ACL), Herring & Humber are mainly ST players. Chamb was a Spags guy who's likely odd man out.

You're telling me you wouldn't want Alec Ogletree over at least 4 of those names??

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So we should draft a rookie with zero playtime in the NFL over players we already have with zero playtime in the NFL.

The ones we have are paid for and we have no cap space.

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Can you draft a player with NFL experience? :p

YES, you draft a guy who is better than three other players on your roster.

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I could be wrong - Broughton is listed as ROLB on some charts, DE on Saints website.

He seems to fit the DE mold IMO and can bulk up to 285

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Lol

just my thought train, we fill a need before a want. We want better linebackers, we need a starting LT and legitimate back up QB.

We have 2.5M in cap space and we need a practice squad.

We also have two positions with zero back up. Our FG kicker has managed to play a complete season only once in his 5 years in the NFL. Considering how our special teams have played Morestead has a chance of getting hurt tackling than Lofton.

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There are 4-5 positions we could fill at #15 with a talented, valuable player player.

ST is always a work in progress.

I'm not concerned with the cap - Loomis has proven to be a cap savant.

My last concern followed by who the saintsations pick up in 2013 is the practice squad..

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Loomis is a cap savant however we are on the down slope of FA, and the draft is only a few weeks away. There is also only 1 player that can give us cap space worth discussion and that requires his agreement to take less salary, Loomis can do nothing about his bonus dead money cap hit.

I am playing the hand that is presently dealt, until Loomis starts flipping his cards I'm not willing to go all on.

I could care less about the PS also, their cost can't be ignored. When the budget is tight necessities should be addressed first.

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It seems that everyone KiKi Mingo is the pick if the dight OT is not there. Everything I read leads to him.

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Still a developmental player IMO. Not a guy who's ready to play the run.

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Still time to trade.... :birthday:

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I just can't get over this about Mingo...

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I understand he has all the potential in the world, but I'm kinda wary of another "upside" guy that has to switch positions

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Trade who? If you are talking about Harper that has been covered, no one in his right mind would accept his price tag in today's market. $5.25M

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Round peg, round hole.


Square peg, someone elses hole.:)

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Bingo (not mingo)

I'd rather see us reach a little bit for a 'round peg' LT than pick up a 'developmental' player with potential. And that comment should be taken with a grain of salt, in that almost all rook's need to 'develop' their game to get used to NFL speed

Who knows, maybe we get lucky and there's a rush on QBs, pass rushers, and Tavon Austin/Cordarrelle Patterson before 15, and somebody like L Johnson falls. I still am not convinced that Fluker would be a bad pick-up for us either. A little bit of a reach maybe, but see above. If we go Best Player Available at a position of need and not Best Athlete Available (Thanks Hagan for clearing that up) then JMO, Fluker might be what we need. Whether he can step in and start (esp at LT, but not sure if Chucky Brown is any better at this point), well, that's another question

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Change it up a little but Tyson Clabo is going to be released. I think if we can add it will take alot of pressure of having to move up or go LT in the first

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NEVER MIND

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Here is my train of thought:

I'm using Atlanta as an example but there are teams in similar situations.

Atlanta has 11 draft picks and only 1.7M in cap room. They will have to shuck players, I'm hoping some of their shucks are better than some on our active roster.

San Francisco has 15 draft picks and 1.3M in cap space.... See where this is going?

To cut to the chase, I believe there will be quality players released after the draft... By quality I mean a player at a position better than what we have at that position.

The NFL trade deadline is not till week 6 I believe, so it's very plausible that our depth chart will look different before week 1, with names not in the draft or FA.

Unless I am wrong. Then it appears I just wasted 5 minutes of your life that you can't get back. :-)