New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees “Best in NFL”?

WhoDat!656 · 04-05-2013, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

Good debate but you'll never have a true answer. Even if Drew ever matches him in Super Bowl wins it's a team sport.

IMO, the distinction in Brady's/Patriots 3 Super Bowl wins vs Brees'/Saints 1 is in points.

If the Pats hadn't had a good FG kicker, they would be winless in Super Bowls; the Pats total margin of victory in their 3 is 9 points!

The Saints were up a TD on the Colts until Porter got his pick 6 to seal the win.

The Dude · 04-05-2013, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

wow....

I don't know what to say to that, however I will try.
You honestly come up with some of the most retarded **** I've read.

where is the thumbs down button?

Every year Brees gets a year older-Fact
As a player reaches a certain age their production begins to drop off-Fact
We have very limited cap space due mostly in part to Brees contract-Fact
The only reason we have been as successful as we have with our defense is because of Brees-Fact

You take away some of Brees playmaking ability you must add more talent to compensate. Our cap situation is only going to get worse.

His play started to decline last year.

darksoul35 · 04-05-2013, 09:08 PM

I have to disagree. What if we had even the twenty eighth ranked defense last year? We couldve ran the ball a little and not be playing behind as much. Brees had to force things always playing behind and bad play calling. How old was Payton last year and he is coming off that injury. We will be back next season and Brees will DOMINATE once again.

WhoDat!656 · 04-05-2013, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Every year Brees gets a year older-Fact
As a player reaches a certain age their production begins to drop off-Fact
We have very limited cap space due mostly in part to Brees contract-Fact
The only reason we have been as successful as we have with our defense is because of Brees-Fact

You take away some of Brees playmaking ability you must add more talent to compensate. Our cap situation is only going to get worse.

His play started to decline last year.

Every year Brees gets a year older-Fact
Every year so does Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc.

As a player reaches a certain age their production begins to drop off. Where is the drop off in the production of Tom Brady, Payton/Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc?

We have very limited cap space due mostly in part to Brees contract.
The Saints have been waiting for over 60 years for a QB like Brees; so you are willing to let Brees walk. Correct me if I am wrong, but did Brees ASK the Saints for that contract. I guarantee you this, if Brees made it to a FA, he would've gotten offered a helluva lot more money than the Saints offered!

Our cap situation is only going to get worse
Have players like Will Smith, Vilma, to name a few, played to the value of their contracts like Brees?

The only reason we have been as successful as we have with our defense is because of Brees-Fact
This fact alone make argument moot!!

You take away some of Brees playmaking ability... Other than God, who is taking away some of Brees' play-making abolity?

His play started to decline last year. Considering the circumstances Brees had to play under, namely no HC, and interim head coach, saddled with the worst defense in NFL history, I think Brees did an outstanding job last year!!

SloMotion · 04-06-2013, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

btw, MudBugs IV will most likely be on June 1st at my awesome swamphouse in Old River, TX, halfway between Houston & Beaumont-- I heard you were interested in visiting the South.

Glad to hear that! I got caught up committing to a bunch of walleye fishing tournaments before I realized they were all in April and going to interfere with my Mudbugs IV plans,

. It's back on like donkey-kong!

... and now that I've sufficiently hijacked this thread, I'll retire to the MudBugs IV thread for further discussion,

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The Dude · 04-06-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Every year Brees gets a year older-Fact
Every year so does Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc.

As a player reaches a certain age their production begins to drop off. Where is the drop off in the production of Tom Brady, Payton/Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc?

We have very limited cap space due mostly in part to Brees contract.
The Saints have been waiting for over 60 years for a QB like Brees; so you are willing to let Brees walk. Correct me if I am wrong, but did Brees ASK the Saints for that contract. I guarantee you this, if Brees made it to a FA, he would've gotten offered a helluva lot more money than the Saints offered!

Our cap situation is only going to get worse
Have players like Will Smith, Vilma, to name a few, played to the value of their contracts like Brees?

The only reason we have been as successful as we have with our defense is because of Brees-Fact
This fact alone make argument moot!!

You take away some of Brees playmaking ability... Other than God, who is taking away some of Brees' play-making abolity?

His play started to decline last year. Considering the circumstances Brees had to play under, namely no HC, and interim head coach, saddled with the worst defense in NFL history, I think Brees did an outstanding job last year!!

What argument do you think is moot? Did I say anywhere that I want to let Brees walk? Im just saying he's getting older and we are in bad shape because of his contract. Don't see that we really had any choice but to sign him as there is nobody better out there that we could get. Or would want. The thread is about weather or not Brees is the best QB in the league. I agree that arguably he was, but think it is unlikely that he will be again. Same goes for Brady, Payton, and Rodgers, although Rodgers is a little younger and has not been on the field near as long.

Bottom line is that our window is closing fast, unless we can pull some real bull**** out of our asses. Which has been done under the current staff so we will see.

|Mitch| · 04-06-2013, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Brees is the best QB in the league. I agree that arguably he was, but think it is unlikely that he will be again.

What makes you think that? He has not shown any signs of decline, hell he threw for 5000+ yards last year without Payton...

Rugby Saint II · 04-08-2013, 02:44 PM

He is Da Man!

jeanpierre · 04-09-2013, 05:06 AM

Just a few facts to throw into the conversation...

National Football League Most Valuable Player Award (NFL MVP)

Peyton Manning Four Time MVP (4) '03, '04, '08, '09,
Tom Brady Two Time MVP (2) '07, '10
Aaron Rodgers MVP (1) '11
Drew Brees No LMVP (0) None
Joe Flacco No LMVP (0) None

Joe Flacco is the highest paid QB in the NFL...

Drew Brees is the highest paid QB in the NFL net taxes...

04-05-2013, 07:20 PM	#21
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees “Best in NFL”? Originally Posted by Jamessr Good debate but you'll never have a true answer. Even if Drew ever matches him in Super Bowl wins it's a team sport. IMO, the distinction in Brady's/Patriots 3 Super Bowl wins vs Brees'/Saints 1 is in points. If the Pats hadn't had a good FG kicker, they would be winless in Super Bowls; the Pats total margin of victory in their 3 is 9 points! The Saints were up a TD on the Colts until Porter got his pick 6 to seal the win.

04-05-2013, 08:44 PM	#22
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees “Best in NFL”? Originally Posted by Jamessr wow.... I don't know what to say to that, however I will try. You honestly come up with some of the most retarded **** I've read. where is the thumbs down button? Every year Brees gets a year older-Fact As a player reaches a certain age their production begins to drop off-Fact We have very limited cap space due mostly in part to Brees contract-Fact The only reason we have been as successful as we have with our defense is because of Brees-Fact You take away some of Brees playmaking ability you must add more talent to compensate. Our cap situation is only going to get worse. His play started to decline last year.
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darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees “Best in NFL”? I have to disagree. What if we had even the twenty eighth ranked defense last year? We couldve ran the ball a little and not be playing behind as much. Brees had to force things always playing behind and bad play calling. How old was Payton last year and he is coming off that injury. We will be back next season and Brees will DOMINATE once again.
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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees “Best in NFL”? Originally Posted by The Dude Every year Brees gets a year older-Fact As a player reaches a certain age their production begins to drop off-Fact We have very limited cap space due mostly in part to Brees contract-Fact The only reason we have been as successful as we have with our defense is because of Brees-Fact You take away some of Brees playmaking ability you must add more talent to compensate. Our cap situation is only going to get worse. His play started to decline last year. Every year Brees gets a year older-Fact Every year so does Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc. As a player reaches a certain age their production begins to drop off. Where is the drop off in the production of Tom Brady, Payton/Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc? We have very limited cap space due mostly in part to Brees contract. The Saints have been waiting for over 60 years for a QB like Brees; so you are willing to let Brees walk. Correct me if I am wrong, but did Brees ASK the Saints for that contract. I guarantee you this, if Brees made it to a FA, he would've gotten offered a helluva lot more money than the Saints offered! Our cap situation is only going to get worse Have players like Will Smith, Vilma, to name a few, played to the value of their contracts like Brees? The only reason we have been as successful as we have with our defense is because of Brees-Fact This fact alone make argument moot!! You take away some of Brees playmaking ability... Other than God, who is taking away some of Brees' play-making abolity? His play started to decline last year. Considering the circumstances Brees had to play under, namely no HC, and interim head coach, saddled with the worst defense in NFL history, I think Brees did an outstanding job last year!! pumpkindriver, SloMotion and darksoul35 like this.
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04-06-2013, 03:47 PM	#26
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees “Best in NFL”? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Every year Brees gets a year older-Fact Every year so does Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc. As a player reaches a certain age their production begins to drop off. Where is the drop off in the production of Tom Brady, Payton/Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc? We have very limited cap space due mostly in part to Brees contract. The Saints have been waiting for over 60 years for a QB like Brees; so you are willing to let Brees walk. Correct me if I am wrong, but did Brees ASK the Saints for that contract. I guarantee you this, if Brees made it to a FA, he would've gotten offered a helluva lot more money than the Saints offered! Our cap situation is only going to get worse Have players like Will Smith, Vilma, to name a few, played to the value of their contracts like Brees? The only reason we have been as successful as we have with our defense is because of Brees-Fact This fact alone make argument moot!! You take away some of Brees playmaking ability... Other than God, who is taking away some of Brees' play-making abolity? His play started to decline last year. Considering the circumstances Brees had to play under, namely no HC, and interim head coach, saddled with the worst defense in NFL history, I think Brees did an outstanding job last year!! What argument do you think is moot? Did I say anywhere that I want to let Brees walk? Im just saying he's getting older and we are in bad shape because of his contract. Don't see that we really had any choice but to sign him as there is nobody better out there that we could get. Or would want. The thread is about weather or not Brees is the best QB in the league. I agree that arguably he was, but think it is unlikely that he will be again. Same goes for Brady, Payton, and Rodgers, although Rodgers is a little younger and has not been on the field near as long. Bottom line is that our window is closing fast, unless we can pull some real bull**** out of our asses. Which has been done under the current staff so we will see.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees “Best in NFL”? Originally Posted by The Dude Brees is the best QB in the league. I agree that arguably he was, but think it is unlikely that he will be again. What makes you think that? He has not shown any signs of decline, hell he threw for 5000+ yards last year without Payton... Jamessr likes this.

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04-09-2013, 05:06 AM	#29
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