Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Actually I never responded to you, smart guy. The Jenkins comment was towards KySaintsFan. Go back and check before you start making crazy ass, off the wall assumptions, cool?

There is a DIFFERENCE between an elite CB and an ELITE safety.
Jenkins might could have been an elite corner, we'll never know. He, however, is NOT an elite safety. He never or hardly ever played safety in college or high school, meaning he learned a completely different position.

Oh, and if you actually believe there's hardly a difference between CB and safety because they "both cover WR's and TE's", you know absolutely nothing about secondary and coverage schemes.
Would appreciate it if you only call me out like that when spoken to first though, buddy.

The nerve.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Scouting Report

Athleticism
+Good size and bulk for the position.
+Shows good balance and change of direction skills.
+Above average quickness and acceleration.
+Fluid hips and has functional strength.
-Might be a high 4.5 speed guy.

Zone Coverage
+Fantastic instincts in zone, is always around the ball.
+Reads patterns well, plays very tight to receivers in his area
+Routinely gets a good break and closes quickly on the ball.
+Shows the ability to cover a deep half/third as well as play underneath.
-Doesn’t have great ball skills, has left a few interceptions on his plate.

Man Coverage
+Able to cover tight ends and slot receivers.
+Excels in press, able to get a solid jam and re-route receivers.
+Seems to understand leverage and will play his man into help.
-Lacks elite recovery speed on deep routes.
-Gets out of his backpedal too quickly at times, a bit impatient.

Run Support
+Solid form tackler, comfortable making a stop in space.
+Able to deliver a big hit, really lays the wood.
+Very effective blitzing off the edge, gets routine pressure.
+Will take on fullbacks, blow up blockers, all the dirty things to help his team.
+Very quick with his reads, gets to the hole quicker than blockers think he will.
-Goes for the kill-shot too often – has the fundamentals, needs to use them.
-Takes an occasional poor angle in pursuit.

Intelligence
+Shows a good understanding of the Texas “two-read” defense.
+Is asked to make adjustments based on the receivers route each play.
+Plays a variety of positions, including special teams.

Leadership
+Passionate player that has the respect of his teammates.
-Had an arrest (failure to obey) during the summer before his senior season.

Overview:
Vaccaro is exactly the kind of versatile defensive back that NFL teams are looking for. He can bully slot receivers with his strength and change of direction skills, while covering tight ends with his size and athletic ability, as well as covering a deep half or third in zone.

Vaccaro could play either free or strong safety at the next level, with the additional ability to contribute as a “star” or “money” defensive back in sub-packages. He also has excelled on special teams at Texas, which will endear him to NFL coaching staffs.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Off wall assumptions? I also made the comparison and you did not quote who you were responding to. So how is it even close to being off the wall? You know what that means right. Regardless, it doesn't make a difference who you were responding too. The content remains the same. Maybe next time you want to go back and quote who you're responding to, cool?

Okay so what? I can't compare the two because one was moved to safety and one played safety in college? Makes perfect sense.

I don't believe that. So you can throw that assumption out the window.

Would appreciate it if you be more specific. However it really made little difference as I thought your statement was ridiculous as is.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

get his butt on the field already and lets see what we got.
come on pre season lol

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Who Dat Hook Em Horns \m/ \m/. Welcome Kenny!

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Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Exactly, for a safety Harper has been very good against TE's. Papz posted the stats from 2 years ago (maybe 2010?) and Harper was graded 3rd best in the NFL at covering TE's. And that included all DB's, not just safeties.

I remember chat one game and a TE burned Vilma plain as day, and someone typed "Dammit Harper!!!". WTF?

And one game against Atlanta, Harper allowed 1 completion to Gonzalez for about a 4 yard gain, and a bogus PI, and all of his other 8 or 9 completions came against Greer, Robinson, Shanle, Vilma and Jenkins and after the game several were blaming Harper for it. It was amazing. Its like they watched an entirely different game. In fact, Harper took over covering Gonzo and he didn't get another completion for the rest of the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Yes, Harper struggles in deep coverage just as most SS's do, but inside 15 yards he plays very well.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Really, Oak? I'm a little disappointed that you want to take credit for something of which you have no idea the end result. Have you seen how many prospects are still available, who some had going in the first? And until we see how these players' careers work out, how do you know who's going to do what? They're ALL projects, to some degree or another.

I'm glad we got Vaccaro. But for myself, and others who were interested in the idea of trading back, it was all based upon who would still be available. This is not the deepest draft, as far as for what you would consider I guess non "projects", so it begged the question if we wouldn't be better served to get more picks instead having just one total in the first two rounds, if we didn't have first round talent available.

In closing- not so fast, my friend.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

We need to remember what Ryan said earlier this off season. We are going to use Harper this year to his strengths. So I'm going to assume here that we're going to blitz and use him closer to the line this season. That makes picking Vaccaro to make even more sense. Being that we don't know what Jenkins we're going to see, having two guys that can supposedly cover and patrol center field much more important. This will allow Ryan to consistently pressure quarterbacks with 6 or 7 guys yet gives us that safety net down field behind them. We're going to see a lot of variations and Vaccaro gives us a lot of flexibility.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

ok i did some home work

i trust my texas alumni family and friends that are die hards as all texans are.

It might not be his hands. they pointed more than once we will watch balls slip through his hands and drop to the turf. It is more a concentration issue, he seems more worried about what he is going to do after the int than making the int. his numbers should be a whole lot better.

yep been on the phone. other than that they like the pick for us. putting that texas loyalty aside. just give him a few years is the overall verdict and with coaching we could be very happy

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

At first, I wasn't too overwhelmed by the pick of Vacarro but based on what players were available and the fact that he is the best at his position in this draft, I'll take it.
With such a terrible defense, I had hoped that the Saints could have grabbed a player closer to the line. Also, I wonder what the NFL teams know about Floyd that we don't?

Healthy throughout his college career and a solid player. Welcome aboard, Kenny!