Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety

burningmetal · 04-26-2013, 07:29 AM

It's one thing to take a player at a position of greater need, if he's worthy of being selected there. But, the one guy who I personally would have chosen over Vaccaro is Jarvis Jones.

I don't think we needed Sylvester Williams or Shariff Floyd, and I certainly don't think either of them is good enough to be selected over Vaccaro.

With the switch to 3-4, Bunkley should produce more like he did in Denver, and they spent our only pick in the first three rounds last year on Hicks. If they don't work out in the new system THEN you worry about that next off-season.

And lastly, who cares that Ogletree was available? Do we REALLY need four middle linebackers on our team? No.

jeanpierre · 04-26-2013, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And lastly, who cares that Ogletree was available? Do we REALLY need four middle linebackers on our team? No.

You're assuming that Ogletree is just a Middle Linebacker; he's not...

Ogletree's athleticism would've allowed him to play all four linebacker positions...

I'd have preferred Jarvis Jones or Sylvester Williams over Vacarro; as dissatisfied as I've been with the Safeties, my disgust with Harper is noted...

We've need a front seven that makes opposition wish they'd not gotten off the bus - rather than some English-comedy attitude of "this should be jolly fun today."

Further, when a rookie is an improvement over a veteran, not only have you improved the position, you can move the existing player for another pick and you reduce your cap hit...

burningmetal · 04-26-2013, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're assuming that Ogletree is just a Middle Linebacker; he's not...

Ogletree's athleticism would've allowed him to play all four linebacker positions...

I'd have preferred Jarvis Jones or Sylvester Williams over Vacarro; as dissatisfied as I've been with the Safeties, my disgust with Harper is noted...

We've need a front seven that makes opposition wish they'd not gotten off the bus - rather than some English-comedy attitude of "this should be jolly fun today."

Further, when a rookie is an improvement over a veteran, not only have you improved the position, you can move the existing player for another pick and you reduce your cap hit...

I am assuming that, you're right. Athleticism is nice, but we already have athletes like Martez Wilson and Junior Galette. I'm not interested in drafting a guy solely for his athleticism in the first round. You may disagree, but that's my philosophy on first rounders. Ogletree is proven as a MLB, not as an OLB. We already knew that Jarvis Jones could get after the QB better than anyone in the draft, so that's why he would have been my choice, if not Vacarro.

You're making quite the assumption in believing we can move any of our defensive players for picks. I don't see that as being very likely. IF you can get a rookie who is better than your veterans, of course you take him. That's why they drafted Vaccarro. But I don't see anything in Sylvester Williams that tells me he would have been better than what we have. I'm just not impressed with many of these DT prospects.

hagan714 · 04-26-2013, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And lastly, who cares that Ogletree was available? Do we REALLY need four middle linebackers on our team? No.

43 mlb
a 34 ILB would be nice.
we are going to be down to one in a couple of year anyways

burningmetal · 04-26-2013, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

43 mlb
a 34 ILB would be nice.
we are going to be down to one in a couple of year anyways

Lofton and Hawthorne are both middle linebackers. Vilma will be gone before long, yes, but we already have the other two in place.

Danno · 04-26-2013, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Lofton and Hawthorne are both middle linebackers. Vilma will be gone before long, yes, but we already have the other two in place.

And many think Martez would make an excellent SILB too.

hagan714 · 04-26-2013, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

And many think Martez would make an excellent SILB too.

yep that was his position in college. he does seem to play better working through the OL up the middle.

we will soon find out if the MLB to ILB will work out

Danno · 04-26-2013, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

yep that was his position in college. he does seem to play better working through the OL up the middle.

we will soon find out if the MLB to ILB will work out

Yep, his straight line speed and accelleration is ideal for blitzing out of that ILB spot, and he has ideal size for it too.

I think his speed is why everyone thinks he's slated for that rush backer spot.

I think he can probably play all 4 spots very well.

papz · 04-26-2013, 09:03 AM

So much talent in the second round. I wish I could get my hands on Moore.

Bastard.

04-26-2013, 07:29 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety It's one thing to take a player at a position of greater need, if he's worthy of being selected there. But, the one guy who I personally would have chosen over Vaccaro is Jarvis Jones. I don't think we needed Sylvester Williams or Shariff Floyd, and I certainly don't think either of them is good enough to be selected over Vaccaro. With the switch to 3-4, Bunkley should produce more like he did in Denver, and they spent our only pick in the first three rounds last year on Hicks. If they don't work out in the new system THEN you worry about that next off-season. And lastly, who cares that Ogletree was available? Do we REALLY need four middle linebackers on our team? No. RockyMountainSaint, ClintSaints and darksoul35 like this.
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04-26-2013, 07:47 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by burningmetal And lastly, who cares that Ogletree was available? Do we REALLY need four middle linebackers on our team? No. You're assuming that Ogletree is just a Middle Linebacker; he's not... Ogletree's athleticism would've allowed him to play all four linebacker positions... I'd have preferred Jarvis Jones or Sylvester Williams over Vacarro; as dissatisfied as I've been with the Safeties, my disgust with Harper is noted... We've need a front seven that makes opposition wish they'd not gotten off the bus - rather than some English-comedy attitude of "this should be jolly fun today." Further, when a rookie is an improvement over a veteran, not only have you improved the position, you can move the existing player for another pick and you reduce your cap hit... ClintSaints likes this.
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04-26-2013, 08:48 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're assuming that Ogletree is just a Middle Linebacker; he's not... Ogletree's athleticism would've allowed him to play all four linebacker positions... I'd have preferred Jarvis Jones or Sylvester Williams over Vacarro; as dissatisfied as I've been with the Safeties, my disgust with Harper is noted... We've need a front seven that makes opposition wish they'd not gotten off the bus - rather than some English-comedy attitude of "this should be jolly fun today." Further, when a rookie is an improvement over a veteran, not only have you improved the position, you can move the existing player for another pick and you reduce your cap hit... I am assuming that, you're right. Athleticism is nice, but we already have athletes like Martez Wilson and Junior Galette. I'm not interested in drafting a guy solely for his athleticism in the first round. You may disagree, but that's my philosophy on first rounders. Ogletree is proven as a MLB, not as an OLB. We already knew that Jarvis Jones could get after the QB better than anyone in the draft, so that's why he would have been my choice, if not Vacarro. You're making quite the assumption in believing we can move any of our defensive players for picks. I don't see that as being very likely. IF you can get a rookie who is better than your veterans, of course you take him. That's why they drafted Vaccarro. But I don't see anything in Sylvester Williams that tells me he would have been better than what we have. I'm just not impressed with many of these DT prospects. ClintSaints likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-26-2013, 07:48 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by burningmetal And lastly, who cares that Ogletree was available? Do we REALLY need four middle linebackers on our team? No. 43 mlb a 34 ILB would be nice. we are going to be down to one in a couple of year anyways

04-26-2013, 08:39 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by hagan714 43 mlb a 34 ILB would be nice. we are going to be down to one in a couple of year anyways Lofton and Hawthorne are both middle linebackers. Vilma will be gone before long, yes, but we already have the other two in place.

04-26-2013, 08:41 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by burningmetal Lofton and Hawthorne are both middle linebackers. Vilma will be gone before long, yes, but we already have the other two in place. And many think Martez would make an excellent SILB too. hagan714 likes this.

04-26-2013, 08:46 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by Danno And many think Martez would make an excellent SILB too. yep that was his position in college. he does seem to play better working through the OL up the middle. we will soon find out if the MLB to ILB will work out

04-26-2013, 08:49 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by hagan714 yep that was his position in college. he does seem to play better working through the OL up the middle. we will soon find out if the MLB to ILB will work out Yep, his straight line speed and accelleration is ideal for blitzing out of that ILB spot, and he has ideal size for it too. I think his speed is why everyone thinks he's slated for that rush backer spot. I think he can probably play all 4 spots very well.

04-26-2013, 09:03 AM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,801	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety So much talent in the second round. I wish I could get my hands on Moore. Bastard. saintfan, Budsdrinker, ClintSaints and 1 others like this.

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