Depth Chart Locks

|Mitch| · 05-05-2013, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Harper is an old SS which is a no longer needed in todays nfl.

Except when Ryan pulls out the "46" in short yardage situations, he lines up the SS in the box... Harper is the best safety we have then...

blackangold · 05-05-2013, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Anyway, Vaccaro is definitely not a "lock" for me in either of the safety positions, whether we are talking about a strong/free or left/right division of labor. But that doesn't mean that he can't earn that spot during off-/preseason.

Also, I'm a little bit on the fence with Lofton. Clearly the odds are in favor of him being the other starting ILB, but who knows how well he'll fit into that role having only been the MLB in a 4-3 previously?

Why is there a debate on Harper being awful?
If you want to throw last season out of the window fine. Look at the season before then when he was ranked an amazing 81st in the NFL out of all safeties (in the GW system).

However, Varccaro is not a lock. No one on the D should be considered a lock. New DC with a new scheme and a lot of new players. Training camp is a long way out still so I guess its fun to speculate until then.

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Except when Ryan pulls out the "46" in short yardage situations, he lines up the SS in the box... Harper is the best safety we have then...

Unless they decide to attack your weak spots and go play action... Seattle anyone lol

homerj07 · 05-05-2013, 08:46 PM

A lot of unanswered questions & too many on defense

|Mitch| · 05-05-2013, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Unless they decide to attack your weak spots and go play action... Seattle anyone lol

Example:

I'll trust that Ryan knows what he is doing...

Rell&Gold · 05-06-2013, 03:21 AM

EVERY position on defense is up for grabs

hagan714 · 05-06-2013, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Except when Ryan pulls out the "46" in short yardage situations, he lines up the SS in the box... Harper is the best safety we have then...

sorry typo there it was meant to read "old school SS".

if he played 20 or 30 years ago he would have more than 1 pro bowl under his belt by now. but those days are gone. rule changes have hurt the SS role more than any other position in the NFL. CB next.

all for offense and ratings. my kids will never know the way the game was meant to be played.

i like Harper but he is caught up in the wrong time of the game. sorry about the typo

hagan714 · 05-06-2013, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'll trust that Ryan knows what he is doing...

gag rule. lol

he does know LB i will give him that

thebdj · 05-06-2013, 12:38 PM

Still not getting the 'love' for Jenkins and Harper here. They are not at all smart. You can blame what you want or who you want for last season but with the exception of the brilliant play Jenkins made against Tampa Bay to stop a certain TD, there were very few highlights. Every time the ball was launched into the secondary last season I expected it to be a successful big play.

I don't for a second believe that Sean Payton will guarantee a starting spot for someone just because he drafted them in the first round but tell me this ... at #15 and with other good players at other positions of need on the board, he reaches out for the best Safety. You think he's done that just because he wants a decent close battle at camp? Umm no. He knows, as well as I do, that unless Vaccaro is simply not what the scouts saw or does something pretty stupid, he is IN. I cannot see it otherwise.

Danno · 05-06-2013, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by thebdj

Still not getting the 'love' for Jenkins and Harper here. They are not at all smart. You can blame what you want or who you want for last season but with the exception of the brilliant play Jenkins made against Tampa Bay to stop a certain TD, there were very few highlights. Every time the ball was launched into the secondary last season I expected it to be a successful big play.

I don't for a second believe that Sean Payton will guarantee a starting spot for someone just because he drafted them in the first round but tell me this ... at #15 and with other good players at other positions of need on the board, he reaches out for the best Safety. You think he's done that just because he wants a decent close battle at camp? Umm no. He knows, as well as I do, that unless Vaccaro is simply not what the scouts saw or does something pretty stupid, he is IN. I cannot see it otherwise.

Don't confuse "love for Jenkins and Harper" with ridiculing the absurd mentality that they were the main problem last year. Not saying thats you in particular.

They both played as poorly as everyone else did. The 2012 suckage was a total team effort, including coaches. Two of those coaches were fired, and we targeted CB, DL and LB heavily in free-agency.

Rugby Saint II · 05-06-2013, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Offense - Brees
Defense - ???

Punter/kicker/bodyguard - Morestead

And he knows how to tackle. We need that on defense. Can he play safety?

05-05-2013, 07:34 PM	#11
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Depth Chart Locks Originally Posted by hagan714 Harper is an old SS which is a no longer needed in todays nfl. Except when Ryan pulls out the "46" in short yardage situations, he lines up the SS in the box... Harper is the best safety we have then... halloween 65 likes this.

05-05-2013, 08:43 PM	#12
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Depth Chart Locks Originally Posted by FinSaint Anyway, Vaccaro is definitely not a "lock" for me in either of the safety positions, whether we are talking about a strong/free or left/right division of labor. But that doesn't mean that he can't earn that spot during off-/preseason. Also, I'm a little bit on the fence with Lofton. Clearly the odds are in favor of him being the other starting ILB, but who knows how well he'll fit into that role having only been the MLB in a 4-3 previously? Why is there a debate on Harper being awful? If you want to throw last season out of the window fine. Look at the season before then when he was ranked an amazing 81st in the NFL out of all safeties (in the GW system). However, Varccaro is not a lock. No one on the D should be considered a lock. New DC with a new scheme and a lot of new players. Training camp is a long way out still so I guess its fun to speculate until then. Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Except when Ryan pulls out the "46" in short yardage situations, he lines up the SS in the box... Harper is the best safety we have then... Unless they decide to attack your weak spots and go play action... Seattle anyone lol

05-05-2013, 08:46 PM	#13
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Depth Chart Locks A lot of unanswered questions & too many on defense

05-05-2013, 08:50 PM	#14
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Depth Chart Locks Originally Posted by blackangold Unless they decide to attack your weak spots and go play action... Seattle anyone lol Example: I'll trust that Ryan knows what he is doing...

05-06-2013, 07:42 AM	#16
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Depth Chart Locks Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Except when Ryan pulls out the "46" in short yardage situations, he lines up the SS in the box... Harper is the best safety we have then... sorry typo there it was meant to read "old school SS". if he played 20 or 30 years ago he would have more than 1 pro bowl under his belt by now. but those days are gone. rule changes have hurt the SS role more than any other position in the NFL. CB next. all for offense and ratings. my kids will never know the way the game was meant to be played. i like Harper but he is caught up in the wrong time of the game. sorry about the typo blackangold likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Depth Chart Locks Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'll trust that Ryan knows what he is doing... gag rule. lol he does know LB i will give him that

05-06-2013, 12:38 PM	#18
thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: Depth Chart Locks Still not getting the 'love' for Jenkins and Harper here. They are not at all smart. You can blame what you want or who you want for last season but with the exception of the brilliant play Jenkins made against Tampa Bay to stop a certain TD, there were very few highlights. Every time the ball was launched into the secondary last season I expected it to be a successful big play. I don't for a second believe that Sean Payton will guarantee a starting spot for someone just because he drafted them in the first round but tell me this ... at #15 and with other good players at other positions of need on the board, he reaches out for the best Safety. You think he's done that just because he wants a decent close battle at camp? Umm no. He knows, as well as I do, that unless Vaccaro is simply not what the scouts saw or does something pretty stupid, he is IN. I cannot see it otherwise.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Depth Chart Locks Originally Posted by thebdj Still not getting the 'love' for Jenkins and Harper here. They are not at all smart. You can blame what you want or who you want for last season but with the exception of the brilliant play Jenkins made against Tampa Bay to stop a certain TD, there were very few highlights. Every time the ball was launched into the secondary last season I expected it to be a successful big play. I don't for a second believe that Sean Payton will guarantee a starting spot for someone just because he drafted them in the first round but tell me this ... at #15 and with other good players at other positions of need on the board, he reaches out for the best Safety. You think he's done that just because he wants a decent close battle at camp? Umm no. He knows, as well as I do, that unless Vaccaro is simply not what the scouts saw or does something pretty stupid, he is IN. I cannot see it otherwise. Don't confuse "love for Jenkins and Harper" with ridiculing the absurd mentality that they were the main problem last year. Not saying thats you in particular. They both played as poorly as everyone else did. The 2012 suckage was a total team effort, including coaches. Two of those coaches were fired, and we targeted CB, DL and LB heavily in free-agency. \|Mitch\| and TheOak like this.

05-06-2013, 04:56 PM	#20
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Depth Chart Locks Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Offense - Brees Defense - ??? Punter/kicker/bodyguard - Morestead And he knows how to tackle. We need that on defense. Can he play safety?

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