Is Pierre starting this year?
 

I thought it was Ingram's job to lose but in practice it was PT and Sproles as the top two. A broncos fan I play in fantasy leagues with told me this in a IM.

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Pierre has been the starter..... As much as any RB can be called a starter for the Saints.

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PT just produces year after year even when the saints cut into his carries trying to get that #1 pick up and running. PT style fits the saints line better IMO plus the team respond better with him in there. he is a to flexible for defenses to stack the box

PT and Sproles are the best two backs we can put on the field that keep the defenses off balance

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Who's starting in our backfield really has little relevance... unless by some miracle it's Cadet. Now that would be shocking.

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And somewhat welcoming.

When a guy comes in and earns a spot in year one or two I find it refreshing. It also adds some youth to the talent pool.

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I think its refreshing anytime somebody new gets a starting spot since its usually means he has been busting his tail to become a better player.

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Really. It seems for the most part the word starter has become irrelevant. It used to mean the best in that position and when you're talking about the offensive line and QB, it still does. Other than that it now means the best in that package. So yeah, we'll see a lot of PT when his packages come up, a lot of Sproles when..., etc. It'll be the same for the defense.

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Yup. We only have three ball handling workhorses, QB, Center, and kicker. Everyone else is situational.

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Sorry...

Ingram is the worse RB on the roster. He just hasn't turned into the RB he was in college or everyone hoped. I though last year he was the worse until Ivory came back and that seemed to motivate him. Besides that... short yardage or Full back.

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Yep. Pierre is the starter........if that means is he the best running back? Then yes he is the starter.

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i want to see MORE PT...especially on the screens

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Really, there isn't a set starter. It's all based on the game plan used against our opponent for that particular day. You really can't say which is the better RB because so far they have been used differently and defenses know that. PT is the most complete because he is great in the screen game and defenses have to respect that and then that's when he busts one up the middle. Sproles is also great coming out of the backfield on the quick toss or short passes. Right now the problem with the way we have been using Ingram is that we try to run him between the tackles 90% of the time and defenses know that. Until we mix it up a bit with Ingram with some toss sweeps or screen passes to keep defenses off balance, they will continue to crowd the middle and he will not be as effective as Sproles and PT but he is far from garbage as a RB.

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They're all starters. They just don't necessarily begin the game on the first play. Running back by committee. Fresh legs in the 4th...

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Good question. SP will switch it up from week to week

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I hope they're all still starting in the post season. Big, big ifs here -if we do make it all the way, we're gonna need a strong running game to compete in roger's Ice Box Bowl.

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The identification of starters and non starts in this offense is blurred because mos everything is done by commitee. I dont think there is much stock in the term starter here. Payton has made it clear that Ingram is going to have every chance in the world to get his carries. No matter what Payton says hes gonna feed the ball to whos producing. My advice would be to NOT Draft any player on this team not named Brees or maybe Graham. We just spread the ball around too much.

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If New Orleans plays New England in New York, then New Orleans will most definitely need the running game going, and going well...

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Or Denver...

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Ingram really has a lot to prove granite this is his "year" r not if he doesn't do anything this year gotta get rid of him....

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Use to have a lot of respect for John Fox...

But after watching his game management these past few seasons, giving Baltimore that gift with the greatest quarterback on the planet playing for you...

I'm convinced he's in the same subset as Jim Mora and Jim Haslett and will never advance again in the playoffs unless he hands over responsibilities...

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When did Drew go to Denver?

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I disagree with a lot of you...

I think it is very important who they start at RB. It says what they are doing. PT or Sproles starting means a more EXPLOSIVE offense. They are going all out. Ingram isn't explosive. He slows things down with his style. He is a short yardage back and that is it.

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i say we get rid of fair weather fans and send them to Atlanta where they'll fit right in.

if you've never qualified for the NFL you are NOT qualified to say if players should be on a team.

when a coach says that, well... it is reality. when a fan says it... it is just whining.

got it.

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The Saints have no starter LOL.

The first RB to touch the ball in a game is moot, it has no bearing on the rest of the play calling or the pace of the game, it was just the first running play run.

Ingram can come out and run the first two plays and then PT gets 75% of the rest of the running plays...

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PT is the best, most complete RB on the roster. Ive been preaching this from the beginning. He has always been a professional and has simply out performed everyone...even a number one draft pick who was supposed to run away with the starting RB position. The man was undrafted and has worked his way to a solid NFL player in a RB by committee system. PT plays with passion and heart. Not to mention he's pretty damn reliable.

So IMO, he should be the starter.

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Hell, put all four of them out on the field at the same time. There was way too much potential left on the benches the past three years, especially 2012. We all know what and we all know why. I'd like to bring up two points:
One, there's no way the team can get rid of every player that's not up to your expectations. It's a money thing.
Two, we really don't know what anyone four years and newer has to actually bring to the field.

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I disagree the starter usually gets more touches...
they been trying to force feed us Ingram the past two years.

This also makes a lot of sense when you get 2nd or 3rd and short you bring in Ingram to carry it or decoy for a pass.

PT and Sproles opens the offense up more... make the downs shorter for more first downs.

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For the last 2 seasons the difference between touches for PT and Ingram is less than 3 touches per game.

In 2010 Ivory had 137 and PT had 83, I do not recall Ivory being called our starter for any season.

In 2009 Mike Bell had 172 touches and PT had 147.. You calling Bell the starter for the season?

The "starter" on another team consistently get the bulk of the touches.

Once again, the Saints do not play that way. We have no clear starter.

This is why we never have RBs in the top 20 for any seasons. Even in 2011 when we were 6th in the league in rushing.... That year Ivory skyrocketed all the way up to 24th.

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its called injuries.

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Precisely why we do not have any one starting workhorse RB.

However since you insist... List the starting RBs by year since 2009. You get one per year since you refuse to buy into the we do not have any 1 starting RB.

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As well as inevitable.

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I actually have the perfect example for the Saints not having a starting RB.

Anyone ever had PT, Ingram, and Sproles on their Fantasy team and know which one to start?

Any other teams RBs and I know who to start, for a Saints FF team it's a roll of the dice.

Receivers are a little easier but not by far. Other than Graham, there is no way to tell who the target will be until the game is played.

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Actually there are only a few teams that have a clear starter at RB. And even many of those teams, if you put their starter in at FF, you'll still get screwed as the starter takes it inside the ten then they yank him and put the bull with bench splinters in his ass to take it in for the score. Who is more important? For the team, it's both of them. Who cares who starts. It's the guys that help us win regardless of where they are at the beginning of the game.

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Then why is there even a depth chart at all.

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For fans.

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Moore? He was starting to outplay Colston and then Colston got it going mid season on.

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The only starters are Brees and the O line, who gets the snaps and who gets the ball in our offense is dictated by what payton see's from the defense during film review

If pierre is going to get a bigger workload he is a good fantasy 3rd RB, if he gets as much carries/catches as he did in 2008 he will put up good numbers

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Well yeah Sproles I have sort of been able to figure out when he gets good production. Usually against the teams that can't stop the run or pass he has been productive. Any team that can stop one and decent at times on the other well thats where he wasnt effective. Washington, San Diego, Denver come to mind. But yeah I could never have PT or Ingram on my fantasy team. Though I think against the weakest run defenses such as raiders last year, you could start Ingram. That game Ivory had only 30 something yards. Ingram will get his chances those games. PT you just don't really know.

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I look at it a different way. I always start Sproles, I look at stats to see who PT has historically been successful against and start him in those weeks that we play those teams. It has served me very well.

If you have PT and the Saints face a team that is not good against the screen.. Start Pierre.