Fire them all

WhoDat · 12-22-2002, 06:15 PM

Regardless of who is a t QB, our run is over. As the 5 cede we were going to San Francisco, where, if we played up, had a real shot at beating them and advancing in the playoffs. Now, we\'re a 6 cede at best, unless of course both the Giants and Falcons lose and we win. As a 6 cede we\'ll be traveling to Green Bay, and I think we all know that this team will not beat the Packers in Lambeau in January. Period. Season over.

DATMAN · 12-22-2002, 07:37 PM

One other thing, you have to wonder about Benson. After all, it was Benson\'s decision to get rid of Mueller. A decision I still don\'t understand. Ultimately, it\'s Benson\'s responsibility to get the right GM, and top level coaches.

Now the Mueller firing seems to be even more significant. The coaching question marks not withstanding, we probably won\'t be able to take advantage of the picks we have in next year\'s draft. Benson doesn\'t have a clue. As someone who has done well as a businessman, he picked the wrong time to let his ego change the future course of the Saints.

Btw, Tom Jackson (NFL Primetime) was rightfully critical of Dale Carter, who was shown shortly after the end of the game \"laughing it up\" with on of the Bengals players. Tom said that type of outward display of emotion was not good for someone on a team that just lost a game of that magnitude. I guess Aaron isn\'t the only Saint who likes to \"smile\" at unusual times.

WhoDat · 12-22-2002, 09:29 PM

If the Saints don\'t make the playoffs this year, do you think Haslett\'s job is in question?

I doubt it, but I think it should be. Everyone scoffed when Tampa Bay fired Dungy after all his good years there, but it seems to have worked out well. Should the Saints go out and get a guy like Marvin Lewis?

At least he has a chip on his shoulder. He has something to prove b/c he\'s been overlooked for a head coaching job for a few years. AND, he\'s a defensive specialist. I think he would be a great choice for us... but will it happen? Will Benson even consider replacing Haslett? Would you?

pakowitz · 12-22-2002, 10:46 PM

his job isnt in jeopardy, he just resigned, so he isnt going anywhere. but i will say this, , we sucked it up today badly. i have been as big a AB supporter as anyone, and he stunk it up, as did many of the Saints today, we suck, we dont deserve to be in the playoffs and if we do make it, it wont be for long. another thing, after the Sheety first half, i actually wanted Haz to put Jake in the game b/c Brooks just sucked it up

WhoDat · 12-22-2002, 10:49 PM

nice to at least see pak finally coming around. At least this loss did one good thing!

naylor13 · 12-22-2002, 11:54 PM

I was depressed last week, homicidal during today\'s game, but now calm and somehow relaxed, accepting that this team - and more importantly its coaches - are not of playoff calibre.

It can\'t be for want of physical talent, so it must be lack of its application and organization - the coaches job. There is obviously something radically wrong with the team \"chemistry\", but that is not in itself the root cause of our problems. It\'s got to reside with Benson / Haslett / Who-Is-the-GM-Anyway. Some examples:

- No compensation for Brooks\' weak leadership = Phaps Haslett couldn\'t replace Brooks\' today because Aaron\'s authority as a leader is so fragile (and now non-existent). If the O-Line plays badly - and how much worse could it get after 36 yards against the 30th ranked defence - AB has no leverage to turn them araound. I believe the opposition know that he can\'t carry the team if they stop the run.

- Living in a dream world = Week after week of losses to inferior teams and saying \"We just need to put it behind us\". Come back Jim Mora, and tell \'em they SUCK. Detroit was maybe too early for a make-up call, but Cleveland wasn\'t.

- Brian Cox as the foundation for Saints leadership??? Cox is a loose cannon who has done little but embarrass his team with brutal on-field behavior once his physical abilities declined. Massive error of judgement here.

- Joe Horn as a leader??? Joe is a great salesman and a fine spokesman and that\'s important, but that\'s not the anchor a failing team needs to restore itself.

- An inability to coach the best RB in the league. = OK, this would be tough for the best of motivators,...but do we seriously think a 1st Round pick was worth it? Miami are laughing all the way to the play-offs.

There has been something radically wrong with the Saints as a team for two years now. These coaches seem to have no idea what it is. They could quite easily lose to Carolina next week, then again they might make a run in the play-offs. \"Frankly my dears, I don\'t give a damn.\" I\'m just used up. :casstet: :casstet: :casstet: :casstet: :casstet: See y\'all next year

mudfoot · 12-23-2002, 01:00 AM

:P I have watched these games for the last few weeks and come to a few conclusions. The first conclusion is that Mike McCarthy never has a \"B\" plan. If the opponent shuts down what he thought should have worked against them, it takes him too long to adjust (if he ever does) to what works. Secondly, Instead of playing a one-gap scheme, they have the DT tackles playing straight up which they are not aptly equipped to do. Thirdly, Venturi has outguessed himself to many times which has caused the defense to look more porous than it really is. Forth, Jim Haslett is trying like most head coaches to let his assistants do their respectful jobs, but I really think that he is getting fed up with that. My offseason predictions. Rick Venturii will be demoted or fired. The Saints will move Mike Riley to offensive assistant or offensive coordinator. The Saints will try their darndest to draft E. J. Henderson middle linebacker from Maryland.

12-22-2002, 06:15 PM	#11
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Fire them all Regardless of who is a t QB, our run is over. As the 5 cede we were going to San Francisco, where, if we played up, had a real shot at beating them and advancing in the playoffs. Now, we\'re a 6 cede at best, unless of course both the Giants and Falcons lose and we win. As a 6 cede we\'ll be traveling to Green Bay, and I think we all know that this team will not beat the Packers in Lambeau in January. Period. Season over.
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12-22-2002, 07:37 PM	#12
DATMAN Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: HOUSTON bwo the "Red Stick" Posts: 36	Fire them all One other thing, you have to wonder about Benson. After all, it was Benson\'s decision to get rid of Mueller. A decision I still don\'t understand. Ultimately, it\'s Benson\'s responsibility to get the right GM, and top level coaches. Now the Mueller firing seems to be even more significant. The coaching question marks not withstanding, we probably won\'t be able to take advantage of the picks we have in next year\'s draft. Benson doesn\'t have a clue. As someone who has done well as a businessman, he picked the wrong time to let his ego change the future course of the Saints. Btw, Tom Jackson (NFL Primetime) was rightfully critical of Dale Carter, who was shown shortly after the end of the game \"laughing it up\" with on of the Bengals players. Tom said that type of outward display of emotion was not good for someone on a team that just lost a game of that magnitude. I guess Aaron isn\'t the only Saint who likes to \"smile\" at unusual times.
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12-22-2002, 09:29 PM	#13
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Fire them all If the Saints don\'t make the playoffs this year, do you think Haslett\'s job is in question? I doubt it, but I think it should be. Everyone scoffed when Tampa Bay fired Dungy after all his good years there, but it seems to have worked out well. Should the Saints go out and get a guy like Marvin Lewis? At least he has a chip on his shoulder. He has something to prove b/c he\'s been overlooked for a head coaching job for a few years. AND, he\'s a defensive specialist. I think he would be a great choice for us... but will it happen? Will Benson even consider replacing Haslett? Would you?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

12-22-2002, 10:46 PM	#14
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Fire them all his job isnt in jeopardy, he just resigned, so he isnt going anywhere. but i will say this, , we sucked it up today badly. i have been as big a AB supporter as anyone, and he stunk it up, as did many of the Saints today, we suck, we dont deserve to be in the playoffs and if we do make it, it wont be for long. another thing, after the Sheety first half, i actually wanted Haz to put Jake in the game b/c Brooks just sucked it up

12-22-2002, 10:49 PM	#15
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Fire them all nice to at least see pak finally coming around. At least this loss did one good thing!
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12-22-2002, 11:54 PM	#16
naylor13 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 18	Fire them all I was depressed last week, homicidal during today\'s game, but now calm and somehow relaxed, accepting that this team - and more importantly its coaches - are not of playoff calibre. It can\'t be for want of physical talent, so it must be lack of its application and organization - the coaches job. There is obviously something radically wrong with the team \"chemistry\", but that is not in itself the root cause of our problems. It\'s got to reside with Benson / Haslett / Who-Is-the-GM-Anyway. Some examples: - No compensation for Brooks\' weak leadership = Phaps Haslett couldn\'t replace Brooks\' today because Aaron\'s authority as a leader is so fragile (and now non-existent). If the O-Line plays badly - and how much worse could it get after 36 yards against the 30th ranked defence - AB has no leverage to turn them araound. I believe the opposition know that he can\'t carry the team if they stop the run. - Living in a dream world = Week after week of losses to inferior teams and saying \"We just need to put it behind us\". Come back Jim Mora, and tell \'em they SUCK. Detroit was maybe too early for a make-up call, but Cleveland wasn\'t. - Brian Cox as the foundation for Saints leadership??? Cox is a loose cannon who has done little but embarrass his team with brutal on-field behavior once his physical abilities declined. Massive error of judgement here. - Joe Horn as a leader??? Joe is a great salesman and a fine spokesman and that\'s important, but that\'s not the anchor a failing team needs to restore itself. - An inability to coach the best RB in the league. = OK, this would be tough for the best of motivators,...but do we seriously think a 1st Round pick was worth it? Miami are laughing all the way to the play-offs. There has been something radically wrong with the Saints as a team for two years now. These coaches seem to have no idea what it is. They could quite easily lose to Carolina next week, then again they might make a run in the play-offs. \"Frankly my dears, I don\'t give a damn.\" I\'m just used up. :casstet: :casstet: :casstet: :casstet: :casstet: See y\'all next year

12-23-2002, 01:00 AM	#17
mudfoot Rookie Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 18	Fire them all :P I have watched these games for the last few weeks and come to a few conclusions. The first conclusion is that Mike McCarthy never has a \"B\" plan. If the opponent shuts down what he thought should have worked against them, it takes him too long to adjust (if he ever does) to what works. Secondly, Instead of playing a one-gap scheme, they have the DT tackles playing straight up which they are not aptly equipped to do. Thirdly, Venturi has outguessed himself to many times which has caused the defense to look more porous than it really is. Forth, Jim Haslett is trying like most head coaches to let his assistants do their respectful jobs, but I really think that he is getting fed up with that. My offseason predictions. Rick Venturii will be demoted or fired. The Saints will move Mike Riley to offensive assistant or offensive coordinator. The Saints will try their darndest to draft E. J. Henderson middle linebacker from Maryland.
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