Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly

rezburna · 06-18-2013, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Didn't Vilma leave NY because they went to a 3-4 defense?

Yes. He didn't like it. But now he does because he's on the decline and needs a job.

Crusader · 06-18-2013, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Seer1

How can anyone be carrying any kind of ego after last year? When they said, "Yeah, we bad!" They meant it.

Because both are used to being "the man" on defence, making adjustments and such. Even if a unit performs badly you may still have individual competition on it.

hagan714 · 06-18-2013, 05:40 AM

Ryan is there to fix a historically bad defense

Historically bad coaching its not the players. RR is riding RR with the media

they needed ‘attitude.’

they already have it

they have picked up the scheme quick

Duh

the transition of this defense and I think their experience has really helped."

my point all last year. they have played a 34 before and this is nothing new

BUT i am still not sold on these two 43 MLB playing ILB in a 34. I believe they will do ok yet as of now i have ILB high on the draft needs chart in 2014. LB depth in the draft next year will be very good from the way thing are looking

Injury is going to keep Wilson at OLB or limit his time at ILB if the idea is played around with by RR at all. Smith and Gillette will need to step up and prove a lot in order to free Wilson up to jump around.

TheOak · 06-18-2013, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Didn't Vilma leave NY because they went to a 3-4 defense?

Depends on whom you ask. I raised the question earlier in the year. In my opinion, if a player intentionally steers him self to a certain scheme because he knows his strengths and weaknesses it is significant.

"Vilma will also have to make the transition to a 3-4 defense, which wasn't a great fit for him when he played it for one year with the New York Jets in 2007 after they made the switch under new coach Eric Mangini.

In fact, that was a major part of the reason why Vilma was traded to the Saints in 2008 - because he wanted to get back to playing middle linebacker in a 4-3 defense, where he has always had his best success in college and the pros."

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...vilma_say.html

hagan714 · 06-18-2013, 10:08 PM

afc east sport reporters had the cap for the #1 reasons they let him go.

trust me here in boston the jets reporting is second only to the pats. the love to hate each other. the cut of vilma went on for months here. questionable play was a cover up for coaching changes and freeing up the cap

blackangold · 06-18-2013, 11:07 PM

Vilma didn't play well in the 34 as a jet, but this is a much different system and you could compare his new position to playing WLB in a 43. Vilma should do well as long as gas is left in that tank, and from what I am hearing he is a gym rat right now.

FinSaint · 06-18-2013, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Vilma didn't play well in the 34 as a jet, but this is a much different system and you could compare his new position to playing WLB in a 43. Vilma should do well as long as gas is left in that tank, and from what I am hearing he is a gym rat right now.

Exactly.

The issue was with the type of a 3-4 Mangini was implementing over there and the role Vilma would've gotten within that system, not the 3-4 base scheme in itself.

Still, if circumstances allowed for it: I'd rather see Wilson as the other ILB.

halloween 65 · 06-19-2013, 12:08 AM

I would love to see Smith on the ILB position with Junior and Rufus battling on the same side and Tez on the other side with Reddick spelling on the inside, just a thought.

Danno · 06-19-2013, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Vilma didn't play well in the 34 as a jet, but this is a much different system and you could compare his new position to playing WLB in a 43. Vilma should do well as long as gas is left in that tank, and from what I am hearing he is a gym rat right now.

Basically... this^^^

Now he didn't grade out very well last year at WLB so there's that. But he was hurt, and playing in the worst scheme he's probably ever seen.

Placing Vilma at the MIKE in a traditional 3-4 means he has to take on OG's more than just shooting the gaps.

He's just not big and strong enough to fight through OG's.

He didn't play badly in the Jets 3-4, he just didn't play as well as he did in a 4-3.

AsylumGuido · 06-19-2013, 04:34 PM

The main reason Vilma wanted out of the Jets' 3-4 was because they did not have the personnel on the line to make it successful and were not giving him any indication they were quickly addressing the matter. The Saints are far better equipped to make the move. Vilma himself stated that the problem was not with the scheme itself, but in how it was being implemented.

06-18-2013, 01:25 AM	#11
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly Originally Posted by homerj07 Didn't Vilma leave NY because they went to a 3-4 defense? Yes. He didn't like it. But now he does because he's on the decline and needs a job.

06-18-2013, 01:29 AM	#12
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly Originally Posted by Seer1 How can anyone be carrying any kind of ego after last year? When they said, "Yeah, we bad!" They meant it. Because both are used to being "the man" on defence, making adjustments and such. Even if a unit performs badly you may still have individual competition on it.

06-18-2013, 05:40 AM	#13
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly Ryan is there to fix a historically bad defense Historically bad coaching its not the players. RR is riding RR with the media they needed ‘attitude.’ they already have it they have picked up the scheme quick Duh the transition of this defense and I think their experience has really helped." my point all last year. they have played a 34 before and this is nothing new BUT i am still not sold on these two 43 MLB playing ILB in a 34. I believe they will do ok yet as of now i have ILB high on the draft needs chart in 2014. LB depth in the draft next year will be very good from the way thing are looking Injury is going to keep Wilson at OLB or limit his time at ILB if the idea is played around with by RR at all. Smith and Gillette will need to step up and prove a lot in order to free Wilson up to jump around.
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06-18-2013, 07:31 AM	#14
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly Originally Posted by homerj07 Didn't Vilma leave NY because they went to a 3-4 defense? Depends on whom you ask. I raised the question earlier in the year. In my opinion, if a player intentionally steers him self to a certain scheme because he knows his strengths and weaknesses it is significant. "Vilma will also have to make the transition to a 3-4 defense, which wasn't a great fit for him when he played it for one year with the New York Jets in 2007 after they made the switch under new coach Eric Mangini. In fact, that was a major part of the reason why Vilma was traded to the Saints in 2008 - because he wanted to get back to playing middle linebacker in a 4-3 defense, where he has always had his best success in college and the pros." http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...vilma_say.html Rugby Saint II likes this.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly afc east sport reporters had the cap for the #1 reasons they let him go. trust me here in boston the jets reporting is second only to the pats. the love to hate each other. the cut of vilma went on for months here. questionable play was a cover up for coaching changes and freeing up the cap
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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly Vilma didn't play well in the 34 as a jet, but this is a much different system and you could compare his new position to playing WLB in a 43. Vilma should do well as long as gas is left in that tank, and from what I am hearing he is a gym rat right now. Danno and FinSaint like this.

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly Originally Posted by blackangold Vilma didn't play well in the 34 as a jet, but this is a much different system and you could compare his new position to playing WLB in a 43. Vilma should do well as long as gas is left in that tank, and from what I am hearing he is a gym rat right now. Exactly. The issue was with the type of a 3-4 Mangini was implementing over there and the role Vilma would've gotten within that system, not the 3-4 base scheme in itself. Still, if circumstances allowed for it: I'd rather see Wilson as the other ILB. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly I would love to see Smith on the ILB position with Junior and Rufus battling on the same side and Tez on the other side with Reddick spelling on the inside, just a thought.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly Originally Posted by blackangold Vilma didn't play well in the 34 as a jet, but this is a much different system and you could compare his new position to playing WLB in a 43. Vilma should do well as long as gas is left in that tank, and from what I am hearing he is a gym rat right now. Basically... this^^^ Now he didn't grade out very well last year at WLB so there's that. But he was hurt, and playing in the worst scheme he's probably ever seen. Placing Vilma at the MIKE in a traditional 3-4 means he has to take on OG's more than just shooting the gaps. He's just not big and strong enough to fight through OG's. He didn't play badly in the Jets 3-4, he just didn't play as well as he did in a 4-3.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,210	Re: Saints are high on their inside linebackers in new 3-4 scheme, Curtis Lofton and Jonathan Vilma picking things up quickly The main reason Vilma wanted out of the Jets' 3-4 was because they did not have the personnel on the line to make it successful and were not giving him any indication they were quickly addressing the matter. The Saints are far better equipped to make the move. Vilma himself stated that the problem was not with the scheme itself, but in how it was being implemented.

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