New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram

06-19-2013, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Luda34

I just feel we gave up a good back in Ivory I hope Ingram knows it's his time and he should be the starter.

Agreed, I'd rather have kept Ivory.

dizzle88 · 06-20-2013, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by sharke

Agreed, I'd rather have kept Ivory.

Ivory was the better RB, but he'd be riding the pine by week 4 of the season

Yeah Ingram is not as explosive as Ivory but he's durable, I'd prefer an average running back that can stay healthy over a star RB that gets injured putting his cleats on

Crusader · 06-20-2013, 03:05 AM

I had great hopes for Ingram coming in and though he might be the second coming of Deuce. So far we havn't seen it but I'm hoping he will break out this year. The talent is undoubtly there.

Utah_Saint · 06-20-2013, 07:50 PM

Last season Ingram lined up for 268 offensive snaps. Of those he rushed the ball 156 times. That's 58% of the time he came off the bench, he rushed the ball. That's the highest percentage in the NFL (of the 59 half backs with over 200 carries). Other than Ingram, only Stevan Ridley of the Patriots was over 50%.

Rush/Snap %
1 Mark Ingram 58.2%
2 Stevan Ridley 51.8%
3 Jammal Charles 47.9%
4 Bernard Pierce 47.6%
5 Shonn Green 47.3%

The league average was 34% for that same set of backs.

More than any other back in the NFL, if Mark Ingram was in, the play was likely to be a run. And with those kinds of percentages, it's logical to assume that defenses were told to play the run whenever number 28 was on the field.

Seer1 · 06-20-2013, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Last season Ingram lined up for 268 offensive snaps. Of those he rushed the ball 156 times. That's 58% of the time he came off the bench, he rushed the ball. That's the highest percentage in the NFL (of the 59 half backs with over 200 carries). Other than Ingram, only Stevan Ridley of the Patriots was over 50%.

Rush/Snap %
1 Mark Ingram 58.2%
2 Stevan Ridley 51.8%
3 Jammal Charles 47.9%
4 Bernard Pierce 47.6%
5 Shonn Green 47.3%

The league average was 34% for that same set of backs.

More than any other back in the NFL, if Mark Ingram was in, the play was likely to be a run. And with those kinds of percentages, it's logical to assume that defenses were told to play the run whenever number 28 was on the field.

And play the run they did!

darksoul35 · 06-20-2013, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Last season Ingram lined up for 268 offensive snaps. Of those he rushed the ball 156 times. That's 58% of the time he came off the bench, he rushed the ball. That's the highest percentage in the NFL (of the 59 half backs with over 200 carries). Other than Ingram, only Stevan Ridley of the Patriots was over 50%.

Rush/Snap %
1 Mark Ingram 58.2%
2 Stevan Ridley 51.8%
3 Jammal Charles 47.9%
4 Bernard Pierce 47.6%
5 Shonn Green 47.3%

The league average was 34% for that same set of backs.

More than any other back in the NFL, if Mark Ingram was in, the play was likely to be a run. And with those kinds of percentages, it's logical to assume that defenses were told to play the run whenever number 28 was on the field.

your right. It was obvious he was going straight up the gut. You could put Walter Payton out there and run that same B.S. and I don't think the result would be much better.

halloween 65 · 06-20-2013, 09:51 PM

Everyone knew where Ivory was going when he was in, he just fought harder on his carries.

Seer1 · 06-20-2013, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Everyone knew where Ivory was going when he was in, he just fought harder on his carries.

Gotta disagree. Ivory was much more of an "if" when he was in due to better play calling. The D couldn't count on him taking it straight up the gut just because he was in on the play.

halloween 65 · 06-20-2013, 10:10 PM

I disagree with the better play calling. Both got carries, Ingram did not do as well, looked like a sheep always behind the linemen, I like Ingram but I would run Ivory over Ingram when it counted, I also would have like to see what they could have done lined up together. But a true smash runner I would not take Ingram over Ivory.

06-19-2013, 11:42 PM	#11
Threaded by sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Luda34 I just feel we gave up a good back in Ivory I hope Ingram knows it's his time and he should be the starter. Agreed, I'd rather have kept Ivory.
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06-20-2013, 02:28 AM	#12
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by sharke Agreed, I'd rather have kept Ivory. Ivory was the better RB, but he'd be riding the pine by week 4 of the season Yeah Ingram is not as explosive as Ivory but he's durable, I'd prefer an average running back that can stay healthy over a star RB that gets injured putting his cleats on

06-20-2013, 03:05 AM	#13
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram I had great hopes for Ingram coming in and though he might be the second coming of Deuce. So far we havn't seen it but I'm hoping he will break out this year. The talent is undoubtly there.

06-20-2013, 07:50 PM	#14
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram Last season Ingram lined up for 268 offensive snaps. Of those he rushed the ball 156 times. That's 58% of the time he came off the bench, he rushed the ball. That's the highest percentage in the NFL (of the 59 half backs with over 200 carries). Other than Ingram, only Stevan Ridley of the Patriots was over 50%. Rush/Snap % 1 Mark Ingram 58.2% 2 Stevan Ridley 51.8% 3 Jammal Charles 47.9% 4 Bernard Pierce 47.6% 5 Shonn Green 47.3% The league average was 34% for that same set of backs. More than any other back in the NFL, if Mark Ingram was in, the play was likely to be a run. And with those kinds of percentages, it's logical to assume that defenses were told to play the run whenever number 28 was on the field. darksoul35 likes this.

06-20-2013, 08:33 PM	#15
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Last season Ingram lined up for 268 offensive snaps. Of those he rushed the ball 156 times. That's 58% of the time he came off the bench, he rushed the ball. That's the highest percentage in the NFL (of the 59 half backs with over 200 carries). Other than Ingram, only Stevan Ridley of the Patriots was over 50%. Rush/Snap % 1 Mark Ingram 58.2% 2 Stevan Ridley 51.8% 3 Jammal Charles 47.9% 4 Bernard Pierce 47.6% 5 Shonn Green 47.3% The league average was 34% for that same set of backs. More than any other back in the NFL, if Mark Ingram was in, the play was likely to be a run. And with those kinds of percentages, it's logical to assume that defenses were told to play the run whenever number 28 was on the field. And play the run they did!

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06-20-2013, 09:40 PM	#16
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Last season Ingram lined up for 268 offensive snaps. Of those he rushed the ball 156 times. That's 58% of the time he came off the bench, he rushed the ball. That's the highest percentage in the NFL (of the 59 half backs with over 200 carries). Other than Ingram, only Stevan Ridley of the Patriots was over 50%. Rush/Snap % 1 Mark Ingram 58.2% 2 Stevan Ridley 51.8% 3 Jammal Charles 47.9% 4 Bernard Pierce 47.6% 5 Shonn Green 47.3% The league average was 34% for that same set of backs. More than any other back in the NFL, if Mark Ingram was in, the play was likely to be a run. And with those kinds of percentages, it's logical to assume that defenses were told to play the run whenever number 28 was on the field. your right. It was obvious he was going straight up the gut. You could put Walter Payton out there and run that same B.S. and I don't think the result would be much better.
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06-20-2013, 09:51 PM	#17
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram Everyone knew where Ivory was going when he was in, he just fought harder on his carries.

06-20-2013, 09:55 PM	#18
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by halloween 65 Everyone knew where Ivory was going when he was in, he just fought harder on his carries. Gotta disagree. Ivory was much more of an "if" when he was in due to better play calling. The D couldn't count on him taking it straight up the gut just because he was in on the play.

06-20-2013, 10:10 PM	#19
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: New Orleans Saints offseason: all eyes on Mark Ingram I disagree with the better play calling. Both got carries, Ingram did not do as well, looked like a sheep always behind the linemen, I like Ingram but I would run Ivory over Ingram when it counted, I also would have like to see what they could have done lined up together. But a true smash runner I would not take Ingram over Ivory.

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