APB Saintz08

saintfan · 09-27-2004, 12:34 PM

Deuce seemed to point a finger in the same direction

This, along with the rest of your post, only proves what I\'ve been accusing you of for years now.

Deuce was carrying the ball, on his own mind you, and was beyond the line of scrimmage, when he got popped and dropped the ball...of his own accord. Yes, it was a busted play 08. Of that there is no doubt, but the busted play didn\'t result in Deuce dropping the ball, his failure to hold on to it did.

saintfan · 09-27-2004, 12:38 PM

This is my favorite, because 08 blamed Brooks for Deuce\'s fumble !!!!!!!!

See. I didn\'t even have to prove it. 08 was kind enough to come here and do it for me. What say you Whodat?

saintz08 · 09-27-2004, 02:04 PM

Deuce was carrying the ball, on his own mind you, and was beyond the line of scrimmage, when he got popped and dropped the ball...of his own accord. Yes, it was a busted play 08. Of that there is no doubt, but the busted play didn\'t result in Deuce dropping the ball, his failure to hold on to it did.

Clueless as usual ....

Deuce was carrying the ball, on his own mind you, and was beyond the line of scrimmage, when he got popped

Wrong ...

McAllister is initially popped at the Saints 40 when the line of scrimmage was at the Saints 41 . Deuce goes to hit the hole on a standard power play with Karney leading but the linemen are blocking into the gap , McAllister adjusts to go left and gets popped in the backfield . The initial hit forces Deuces helmet Down and as he is adjusting it and going forward the Seattle player gets a helmet on the ball and it comes out .

Simply put , Brooks is responsible for knowing the playbook and calling the proper play and blocking scheme , Brooks did not .

WhoDat · 09-27-2004, 03:11 PM

What\'s amazing to me is that you can look at the kind of stuff posted above and suggest that there is no factual basis or at least a QUESTION OF FACT, to use a legal term, that would support an opinion other than your own. One thing is for sure - no other person on this board accuses others of skewing facts or having an agenda more than you. That\'s disappointing, especially from a moderator. But that\'s OK - if the Saints don\'t make the playoffs this year, we\'ll see if this terrible agenda that you allege guys like 08 and I have to get Haslett out of town is so skewed after all. YOUR agenda is more clear than any 08 may have - protect Haslett and Brooks at all costs. How do you do that? Not with statements that show insight or even an opinion, only with sarcasm and attacks that cut at others. All while pretending to be a moderator intent on encouraging the open and safe expression of opinion. Sad, sad, sad.

saintfan · 09-27-2004, 03:52 PM

What\'s amazing to me is that you can look at the kind of stuff posted above and suggest that there is no factual basis or at least a QUESTION OF FACT, to use a legal term, that would support an opinion other than your own.

Where is the fact is 08\'s blaming that fumble on Brooks? Please whodat...tell me where there\'s ANY truth to that a\'tall. YYou TIVO the games don\'t you? Go back and look at that play. Was Brooks anywhere NEAR Deuce when he fumbled? Was there a problem with the exchange? Did Aaron himself reach in a try to knock the ball out? No, no no. Deuce was being tackled. Another SEATTLE player came up and smacked him and he (Deuce, not Brooks) dropped the football. What amazes me is how you simply REFUSE to acknowledge some of this stuff. You won\'t deny it...you just blow it off. I think the word you like to use is \"skirt\".

All while pretending to be a moderator intent on encouraging the open and safe expression of opinion. Sad, sad, sad.

Safe? Yeah...I have my own way to accomplish \"safe\". How many times have you, yes you (and another in particular) attacked another\'s viewpoint Whodat? How many times have you sought Proof from someone else\'s statement? You know what they say about throwing rocks in glass houses I assume? This isn\'t personal, but you and your buddy don\'t like to be challenged I guess. I\'m not name calling or breaking rules. I\'m just asking you guys to prove some of this stuff you acknowledge openly speculating on. As I\'ve said before, speculation is one thing, but the spin you use is something else.

If you wanna make it personal, head on over to the \"Everything Else\" board.

What, is my \"agenda\" whodat? To Protect Brooks and Haz? No, not really. I admit tho that I somewhat enjoy callin\' you moonshiners out from time to time when your wild speculation and baseless assumptions and skewed statistics go a bit too far. I enjoy pointing out that you call me out for an open interpretation of stats yet you give 08 a pass on some pretty seriously slanted comments.

Not with statements that show insight or even an opinion

What insight do you have that isn\'t speculation...and funny how most of you moonshiners speculate to the negative...ALL the time. Tell me Whodat, how can Everything wrong with the Saints be the Fault of Brooks? You know it\'s not, and I know you know. Yet I blame Deuce and Deuce alone for his recent troubles and you\'re all over me...you and Gator. I find that telling.

My being a Moderator...a fact you and Gator like to toss around...doesn\'t preclude me from typing an opinion or asking for facts to support opinions. You don\'t have to like the fact that I disagree with you. That\'s ok, but the name calling and language your boy Gator uses is unacceptable. You KNOW this yet you continue to defend it.

08 has an agenda. There is post after post after post that will show that. Silly things that even he doesn\'t take seriously. You\'re willin\' to overlook it because...well, I don\'t know why. My \"agenda\" as you call it, is more about callin you guys out from time to time when you take your insinuations over the edge. You don\'t like it. And?

By the way, I\'m still waiting for you to prove that I made any of the following statements. I wonder why you\'d insinuate I did so and then not be willing to acknowledtge it further. Skirt much?

YOU blame an O-line that excels in pass protection for Brooks\' bad games.

YOU blame WRs for not catching poorly thrown balls

YOU blame the coaches when Brooks can\'t call the right play

YOU blame the defense for games when Brooks turns the ball over 3 times.

Still waiting...

saintz08 · 09-27-2004, 04:41 PM

Where is the fact is 08\'s blaming that fumble on Brooks? Please whodat...tell me where there\'s ANY truth to that a\'tall. YYou TIVO the games don\'t you?

Do we need to draw you little pictures Saintfan ??

Brooks calls the wrong blocking formation and the blockers are blocking into the gap .

Deuce is smacked behind the line of scrimmage and the helmet is impairing his vision .

As deuce is trying to adjust his helmet and get the first down , he is blindsided by a player and the ball comes out . Because he does not have the time to get the cover hand down to cover the ball .

Now work it backwards - real simple :

Deuce does not cover the ball and the ball comes out . Why because he is initially hit behind the line of scrimmage and the cover hand is adjusting his helmet .

Why is he hit behind the line of scrimmage ? Brooks calls a phantom play and the blocking is incorrect .

Not like this is news on the Brooks front ......

1999 Packer Draft: Aaron Brooks, Quarterback
Virginia/ 6:03.2-200/ Newport News, Virginia

What the scouts are saying . . .

AFC scout: \"He\'s not a detail guy. I get the feeling that Brooks isn\'t a worker or a studier. That scares you for a guy who\'s going to get barely any practice reps and will have to learn in the classroom.\"

To Brooks the correct play and blocking scheme is a simple formality .....

saintfan · 09-27-2004, 05:32 PM

Brooks calls the wrong blocking formation and the blockers are blocking into the gap .

Deuce is smacked behind the line of scrimmage and the helmet is impairing his vision .

As deuce is trying to adjust his helmet and get the first down , he is blindsided by a player and the ball comes out . Because he does not have the time to get the cover hand down to cover the ball .

No one is arguing the play. Deuce is responsible for holding on to the football. GOD I wish we could post video here and someone had a copy. Deuce has no excuse and no one to blame other than himself. HE dropped the ball...it\'s really simple 08.

Of course I expect such biased views coming from you. ...and it\'s not that I expect any less from any of the other moonshiners, but c\'mon people, Deuce dropped that ball. Again, I\'m not amazed that you\'d try and blame it on Brooks since you attempt to blame EVERYTHING on Brooks, but for Whodat to attempt to defend it is very telling. Very telling indeed.

You know, as I reall, Whodat has already posted that Deuce is responsible for his play. That makes his attempt to defend this sillyness even more odd.
:casstet:

saintfan · 09-27-2004, 05:59 PM

Isn\'t this a funny addition to this fun fun thread?

Man, you guys make up more stuff than 08

Can anyone here guess who said that? LMAO

saintz08 · 09-27-2004, 06:55 PM

Deuce has no excuse and no one to blame other than himself. HE dropped the ball...it\'s really simple 08.

How about this one :

Deuce drops the ball while trying to compensate for the fact that Brooks does not know the playbook .

I mean get real here , we have a player who makes 6 million a year as a starting quarterback in the N.F.L. who does not know the plays in the playbook and sends the runningback into the wrong gap based upon the blocking scheme .

Brooks job is to call the right play , pure and simple .

Did he do it ?? NO

BrooksMustGo · 09-27-2004, 07:26 PM

I\'m not sure that 08 is claiming that Deuce shouldn\'t have held on to the ball. Everyone knows that Deuce should hang on to the ball. The issue that 08 seems to be focusing on is whether Deuce should have taken the handoff and knelt or try to get back to the line.

What I don\'t understand is how anyone could give Brooks a pass for not knowing the playbook. It isn\'t like it\'s all new for him. As is said ad nauseum to defend Brooks, \"its a team sport\". Well in this case, the other 10 guys on the field had no idea what they were supposed to be doing because Brooks gave some kind of imaginary play. He makes $6 million a year, he should have EVERY play down cold and if McCarthy doesn\'t get the play to him in time, he should at least call a play that the other 10 guys actually know.

:kerry:

09-27-2004, 12:34 PM	#21
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	APB Saintz08 Deuce seemed to point a finger in the same direction This, along with the rest of your post, only proves what I\'ve been accusing you of for years now. Deuce was carrying the ball, on his own mind you, and was beyond the line of scrimmage, when he got popped and dropped the ball...of his own accord. Yes, it was a busted play 08. Of that there is no doubt, but the busted play didn\'t result in Deuce dropping the ball, his failure to hold on to it did.

09-27-2004, 12:38 PM	#22
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	APB Saintz08 This is my favorite, because 08 blamed Brooks for Deuce\'s fumble !!!!!!!! See. I didn\'t even have to prove it. 08 was kind enough to come here and do it for me. What say you Whodat?

09-27-2004, 02:04 PM	#23
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	APB Saintz08 Deuce was carrying the ball, on his own mind you, and was beyond the line of scrimmage, when he got popped and dropped the ball...of his own accord. Yes, it was a busted play 08. Of that there is no doubt, but the busted play didn\'t result in Deuce dropping the ball, his failure to hold on to it did. Clueless as usual .... Deuce was carrying the ball, on his own mind you, and was beyond the line of scrimmage, when he got popped Wrong ... McAllister is initially popped at the Saints 40 when the line of scrimmage was at the Saints 41 . Deuce goes to hit the hole on a standard power play with Karney leading but the linemen are blocking into the gap , McAllister adjusts to go left and gets popped in the backfield . The initial hit forces Deuces helmet Down and as he is adjusting it and going forward the Seattle player gets a helmet on the ball and it comes out . Simply put , Brooks is responsible for knowing the playbook and calling the proper play and blocking scheme , Brooks did not .
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

09-27-2004, 03:11 PM	#24
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	APB Saintz08 What\'s amazing to me is that you can look at the kind of stuff posted above and suggest that there is no factual basis or at least a QUESTION OF FACT, to use a legal term, that would support an opinion other than your own. One thing is for sure - no other person on this board accuses others of skewing facts or having an agenda more than you. That\'s disappointing, especially from a moderator. But that\'s OK - if the Saints don\'t make the playoffs this year, we\'ll see if this terrible agenda that you allege guys like 08 and I have to get Haslett out of town is so skewed after all. YOUR agenda is more clear than any 08 may have - protect Haslett and Brooks at all costs. How do you do that? Not with statements that show insight or even an opinion, only with sarcasm and attacks that cut at others. All while pretending to be a moderator intent on encouraging the open and safe expression of opinion. Sad, sad, sad.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-27-2004, 03:52 PM	#25
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	APB Saintz08 What\'s amazing to me is that you can look at the kind of stuff posted above and suggest that there is no factual basis or at least a QUESTION OF FACT, to use a legal term, that would support an opinion other than your own. Where is the fact is 08\'s blaming that fumble on Brooks? Please whodat...tell me where there\'s ANY truth to that a\'tall. YYou TIVO the games don\'t you? Go back and look at that play. Was Brooks anywhere NEAR Deuce when he fumbled? Was there a problem with the exchange? Did Aaron himself reach in a try to knock the ball out? No, no no. Deuce was being tackled. Another SEATTLE player came up and smacked him and he (Deuce, not Brooks) dropped the football. What amazes me is how you simply REFUSE to acknowledge some of this stuff. You won\'t deny it...you just blow it off. I think the word you like to use is \"skirt\". All while pretending to be a moderator intent on encouraging the open and safe expression of opinion. Sad, sad, sad. Safe? Yeah...I have my own way to accomplish \"safe\". How many times have you, yes you (and another in particular) attacked another\'s viewpoint Whodat? How many times have you sought Proof from someone else\'s statement? You know what they say about throwing rocks in glass houses I assume? This isn\'t personal, but you and your buddy don\'t like to be challenged I guess. I\'m not name calling or breaking rules. I\'m just asking you guys to prove some of this stuff you acknowledge openly speculating on. As I\'ve said before, speculation is one thing, but the spin you use is something else. If you wanna make it personal, head on over to the \"Everything Else\" board. What, is my \"agenda\" whodat? To Protect Brooks and Haz? No, not really. I admit tho that I somewhat enjoy callin\' you moonshiners out from time to time when your wild speculation and baseless assumptions and skewed statistics go a bit too far. I enjoy pointing out that you call me out for an open interpretation of stats yet you give 08 a pass on some pretty seriously slanted comments. Not with statements that show insight or even an opinion What insight do you have that isn\'t speculation...and funny how most of you moonshiners speculate to the negative...ALL the time. Tell me Whodat, how can Everything wrong with the Saints be the Fault of Brooks? You know it\'s not, and I know you know. Yet I blame Deuce and Deuce alone for his recent troubles and you\'re all over me...you and Gator. I find that telling. My being a Moderator...a fact you and Gator like to toss around...doesn\'t preclude me from typing an opinion or asking for facts to support opinions. You don\'t have to like the fact that I disagree with you. That\'s ok, but the name calling and language your boy Gator uses is unacceptable. You KNOW this yet you continue to defend it. 08 has an agenda. There is post after post after post that will show that. Silly things that even he doesn\'t take seriously. You\'re willin\' to overlook it because...well, I don\'t know why. My \"agenda\" as you call it, is more about callin you guys out from time to time when you take your insinuations over the edge. You don\'t like it. And? By the way, I\'m still waiting for you to prove that I made any of the following statements. I wonder why you\'d insinuate I did so and then not be willing to acknowledtge it further. Skirt much? YOU blame an O-line that excels in pass protection for Brooks\' bad games. YOU blame WRs for not catching poorly thrown balls YOU blame the coaches when Brooks can\'t call the right play YOU blame the defense for games when Brooks turns the ball over 3 times. Still waiting...
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09-27-2004, 04:41 PM	#26
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	APB Saintz08 Where is the fact is 08\'s blaming that fumble on Brooks? Please whodat...tell me where there\'s ANY truth to that a\'tall. YYou TIVO the games don\'t you? Do we need to draw you little pictures Saintfan ?? Brooks calls the wrong blocking formation and the blockers are blocking into the gap . Deuce is smacked behind the line of scrimmage and the helmet is impairing his vision . As deuce is trying to adjust his helmet and get the first down , he is blindsided by a player and the ball comes out . Because he does not have the time to get the cover hand down to cover the ball . Now work it backwards - real simple : Deuce does not cover the ball and the ball comes out . Why because he is initially hit behind the line of scrimmage and the cover hand is adjusting his helmet . Why is he hit behind the line of scrimmage ? Brooks calls a phantom play and the blocking is incorrect . Not like this is news on the Brooks front ...... 1999 Packer Draft: Aaron Brooks, Quarterback Virginia/ 6:03.2-200/ Newport News, Virginia What the scouts are saying . . . AFC scout: \"He\'s not a detail guy. I get the feeling that Brooks isn\'t a worker or a studier. That scares you for a guy who\'s going to get barely any practice reps and will have to learn in the classroom.\" To Brooks the correct play and blocking scheme is a simple formality .....
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

09-27-2004, 05:32 PM	#27
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	APB Saintz08 Brooks calls the wrong blocking formation and the blockers are blocking into the gap . Deuce is smacked behind the line of scrimmage and the helmet is impairing his vision . As deuce is trying to adjust his helmet and get the first down , he is blindsided by a player and the ball comes out . Because he does not have the time to get the cover hand down to cover the ball . No one is arguing the play. Deuce is responsible for holding on to the football. GOD I wish we could post video here and someone had a copy. Deuce has no excuse and no one to blame other than himself. HE dropped the ball...it\'s really simple 08. Of course I expect such biased views coming from you. ...and it\'s not that I expect any less from any of the other moonshiners, but c\'mon people, Deuce dropped that ball. Again, I\'m not amazed that you\'d try and blame it on Brooks since you attempt to blame EVERYTHING on Brooks, but for Whodat to attempt to defend it is very telling. Very telling indeed. You know, as I reall, Whodat has already posted that Deuce is responsible for his play. That makes his attempt to defend this sillyness even more odd. :casstet:
	C'mon Man...

09-27-2004, 05:59 PM	#28
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	APB Saintz08 Isn\'t this a funny addition to this fun fun thread? Man, you guys make up more stuff than 08 Can anyone here guess who said that? LMAO

09-27-2004, 06:55 PM	#29
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	APB Saintz08 Deuce has no excuse and no one to blame other than himself. HE dropped the ball...it\'s really simple 08. How about this one : Deuce drops the ball while trying to compensate for the fact that Brooks does not know the playbook . I mean get real here , we have a player who makes 6 million a year as a starting quarterback in the N.F.L. who does not know the plays in the playbook and sends the runningback into the wrong gap based upon the blocking scheme . Brooks job is to call the right play , pure and simple . Did he do it ?? NO
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09-27-2004, 07:26 PM	#30
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	APB Saintz08 I\'m not sure that 08 is claiming that Deuce shouldn\'t have held on to the ball. Everyone knows that Deuce should hang on to the ball. The issue that 08 seems to be focusing on is whether Deuce should have taken the handoff and knelt or try to get back to the line. What I don\'t understand is how anyone could give Brooks a pass for not knowing the playbook. It isn\'t like it\'s all new for him. As is said ad nauseum to defend Brooks, \"its a team sport\". Well in this case, the other 10 guys on the field had no idea what they were supposed to be doing because Brooks gave some kind of imaginary play. He makes $6 million a year, he should have EVERY play down cold and if McCarthy doesn\'t get the play to him in time, he should at least call a play that the other 10 guys actually know. :kerry:
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