1st Round Pick Draft Suckage

ProMallNinja · 07-28-2013, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Glad to see that they set the bar so low for themselves...

Considering what most underpaid heroes do on a daily basis, and for what GM's make as NFL executives - we should all expect better...

So I respectfully disagree that we have 'vastly unrealistic expectations'...

Sure 32 team fan pools are hopeful this time of year, managing a franchise isn't rocket science...

The fact of the matter is that nepostism and insulated job security contributes to recurrent team failures...

I don't think the figures listed are a matter of "setting the bar" based on opinion. The bar is set by the gathering of information over a period of time. These guys are not saying "I have a feeling we should hit on X number of guys". Information is gathered over an extended period of drafts and empirical evidence is given that shows the exact success rate of teams over that period. Actually, while it may not be "rocket science" exactly, there is quite a bit of scientific method involved in the process. I do not disagree that there is nepotism, but that is pretty much in any occupation these days.

rezburna · 07-28-2013, 09:18 AM

Managing a franchise isn't easy either. Scouting talent can be the trickiest thing to do.

papz · 07-28-2013, 10:07 AM

You would think that's objective.

Joker · 07-28-2013, 10:29 AM

Biggest bust ever, Alex Molden!!! & Heyward

Danno · 07-28-2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Biggest bust ever, Alex Molden!!! & Heyward

Jonathan Sullivan (who we gave two 1st rounders to move up for) makes those two look like HOF'ers.

I don't think a lot of people know what a draft bust really means.

|Mitch| · 07-28-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I don't think a lot of people know what a draft bust really means.

Ryan Leaf count?! Didn't play for the Saints, but has to be the biggest bust of all time.

TheOak · 07-28-2013, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Ryan Leaf count?! Didn't play for the Saints, but has to be the biggest bust of all time.

Man..... It's a coin flip between Leaf and Russell for expectations vs compensation.

Look no further than Rickey Williams for what was given up for the opportunity to over compensate.

rezburna · 07-28-2013, 10:45 AM

And Meachem had 700+ yards and 9 td's, 600+ yards and 5 td's, and 600+ yards and 6 td's his last three years here. Only time he didn't have at least 600 yards was his rookie year. He was far from a joke or a bust. He's no Charles Rogers. His stats are right in line with Lance Moore.

papz · 07-29-2013, 07:42 AM

Saints rookie report: Kenny Vaccaro

K Major · 07-29-2013, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Saints rookie report: Kenny Vaccaro

I already like what I see from the kid ... level headed, humble and ready to make an impact. Just a side note.. on saturday at the end of practice he was kind enough to take that one last photo with me while holding 4 helmets in his hand (lol).

07-28-2013, 09:28 AM	#1
ProMallNinja Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: MS Gulf Coast Posts: 242	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by jeanpierre Glad to see that they set the bar so low for themselves... Considering what most underpaid heroes do on a daily basis, and for what GM's make as NFL executives - we should all expect better... So I respectfully disagree that we have 'vastly unrealistic expectations'... Sure 32 team fan pools are hopeful this time of year, managing a franchise isn't rocket science... The fact of the matter is that nepostism and insulated job security contributes to recurrent team failures... I don't think the figures listed are a matter of "setting the bar" based on opinion. The bar is set by the gathering of information over a period of time. These guys are not saying "I have a feeling we should hit on X number of guys". Information is gathered over an extended period of drafts and empirical evidence is given that shows the exact success rate of teams over that period. Actually, while it may not be "rocket science" exactly, there is quite a bit of scientific method involved in the process. I do not disagree that there is nepotism, but that is pretty much in any occupation these days. Joker likes this.

07-28-2013, 09:18 AM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Managing a franchise isn't easy either. Scouting talent can be the trickiest thing to do.

07-28-2013, 10:07 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage You would think that's objective. TheOak likes this.

07-28-2013, 10:29 AM	#4
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Biggest bust ever, Alex Molden!!! & Heyward

07-28-2013, 11:15 AM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by Joker Biggest bust ever, Alex Molden!!! & Heyward Jonathan Sullivan (who we gave two 1st rounders to move up for) makes those two look like HOF'ers. I don't think a lot of people know what a draft bust really means. rezburna, ProMallNinja and Spot on Dtan like this.

07-28-2013, 12:45 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by Danno I don't think a lot of people know what a draft bust really means. Ryan Leaf count?! Didn't play for the Saints, but has to be the biggest bust of all time.

07-28-2013, 02:57 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Ryan Leaf count?! Didn't play for the Saints, but has to be the biggest bust of all time. Man..... It's a coin flip between Leaf and Russell for expectations vs compensation. Look no further than Rickey Williams for what was given up for the opportunity to over compensate.

07-28-2013, 10:45 AM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage And Meachem had 700+ yards and 9 td's, 600+ yards and 5 td's, and 600+ yards and 6 td's his last three years here. Only time he didn't have at least 600 yards was his rookie year. He was far from a joke or a bust. He's no Charles Rogers. His stats are right in line with Lance Moore. Boutte likes this.

07-29-2013, 07:42 AM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Saints rookie report: Kenny Vaccaro K Major likes this.

07-29-2013, 08:11 AM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,830 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by papz Saints rookie report: Kenny Vaccaro I already like what I see from the kid ... level headed, humble and ready to make an impact. Just a side note.. on saturday at the end of practice he was kind enough to take that one last photo with me while holding 4 helmets in his hand (lol). Danno, papz and Lord_Saint83 like this.

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