1st Round Pick Draft Suckage

ProMallNinja · 07-28-2013, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Glad to see that they set the bar so low for themselves...

Considering what most underpaid heroes do on a daily basis, and for what GM's make as NFL executives - we should all expect better...

So I respectfully disagree that we have 'vastly unrealistic expectations'...

Sure 32 team fan pools are hopeful this time of year, managing a franchise isn't rocket science...

The fact of the matter is that nepostism and insulated job security contributes to recurrent team failures...

I don't think the figures listed are a matter of "setting the bar" based on opinion. The bar is set by the gathering of information over a period of time. These guys are not saying "I have a feeling we should hit on X number of guys". Information is gathered over an extended period of drafts and empirical evidence is given that shows the exact success rate of teams over that period. Actually, while it may not be "rocket science" exactly, there is quite a bit of scientific method involved in the process. I do not disagree that there is nepotism, but that is pretty much in any occupation these days.

papz · 07-28-2013, 10:07 AM

You would think that's objective.

Joker · 07-28-2013, 10:29 AM

Biggest bust ever, Alex Molden!!! & Heyward

rezburna · 07-28-2013, 10:45 AM

And Meachem had 700+ yards and 9 td's, 600+ yards and 5 td's, and 600+ yards and 6 td's his last three years here. Only time he didn't have at least 600 yards was his rookie year. He was far from a joke or a bust. He's no Charles Rogers. His stats are right in line with Lance Moore.

Danno · 07-28-2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Biggest bust ever, Alex Molden!!! & Heyward

Jonathan Sullivan (who we gave two 1st rounders to move up for) makes those two look like HOF'ers.

I don't think a lot of people know what a draft bust really means.

|Mitch| · 07-28-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I don't think a lot of people know what a draft bust really means.

Ryan Leaf count?! Didn't play for the Saints, but has to be the biggest bust of all time.

TheOak · 07-28-2013, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Ryan Leaf count?! Didn't play for the Saints, but has to be the biggest bust of all time.

Man..... It's a coin flip between Leaf and Russell for expectations vs compensation.

Look no further than Rickey Williams for what was given up for the opportunity to over compensate.

thebdj · 07-29-2013, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

So two players past their tenure in N.O. and one yet to put pads on used as examples.

What sort of answer are you looking for?

I wasn't looking for any kind of answer, nor was I suggesting that Kenny Vaccaro was a HoF player! I was merely pointing out that in the space of 24 hours, there were two reminders of how bad the Saints are at drafting in the first round! Seems to have sparked some debate anyway

papz · 07-29-2013, 07:42 AM

Saints rookie report: Kenny Vaccaro

Danno · 07-29-2013, 07:58 AM

I don't think I've ever been as fired up about one of our 1st round picks as I am about this young man.

I'm totally out of control. I'm seeing Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu all rolled into one.

07-28-2013, 09:28 AM	#21
ProMallNinja Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: MS Gulf Coast Posts: 242	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by jeanpierre Glad to see that they set the bar so low for themselves... Considering what most underpaid heroes do on a daily basis, and for what GM's make as NFL executives - we should all expect better... So I respectfully disagree that we have 'vastly unrealistic expectations'... Sure 32 team fan pools are hopeful this time of year, managing a franchise isn't rocket science... The fact of the matter is that nepostism and insulated job security contributes to recurrent team failures... I don't think the figures listed are a matter of "setting the bar" based on opinion. The bar is set by the gathering of information over a period of time. These guys are not saying "I have a feeling we should hit on X number of guys". Information is gathered over an extended period of drafts and empirical evidence is given that shows the exact success rate of teams over that period. Actually, while it may not be "rocket science" exactly, there is quite a bit of scientific method involved in the process. I do not disagree that there is nepotism, but that is pretty much in any occupation these days. Joker likes this.

07-28-2013, 10:07 AM	#22
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage You would think that's objective. TheOak likes this.

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Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Biggest bust ever, Alex Molden!!! & Heyward

07-28-2013, 10:45 AM	#24
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,848	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage And Meachem had 700+ yards and 9 td's, 600+ yards and 5 td's, and 600+ yards and 6 td's his last three years here. Only time he didn't have at least 600 yards was his rookie year. He was far from a joke or a bust. He's no Charles Rogers. His stats are right in line with Lance Moore. Boutte likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by Joker Biggest bust ever, Alex Molden!!! & Heyward Jonathan Sullivan (who we gave two 1st rounders to move up for) makes those two look like HOF'ers. I don't think a lot of people know what a draft bust really means. rezburna, ProMallNinja and Spot on Dtan like this.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by Danno I don't think a lot of people know what a draft bust really means. Ryan Leaf count?! Didn't play for the Saints, but has to be the biggest bust of all time.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Ryan Leaf count?! Didn't play for the Saints, but has to be the biggest bust of all time. Man..... It's a coin flip between Leaf and Russell for expectations vs compensation. Look no further than Rickey Williams for what was given up for the opportunity to over compensate.

07-29-2013, 06:17 AM	#28
thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage Originally Posted by TheOak So two players past their tenure in N.O. and one yet to put pads on used as examples. What sort of answer are you looking for? I wasn't looking for any kind of answer, nor was I suggesting that Kenny Vaccaro was a HoF player! I was merely pointing out that in the space of 24 hours, there were two reminders of how bad the Saints are at drafting in the first round! Seems to have sparked some debate anyway

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07-29-2013, 07:58 AM	#30
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: 1st Round Pick Draft Suckage I don't think I've ever been as fired up about one of our 1st round picks as I am about this young man. I'm totally out of control. I'm seeing Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu all rolled into one. K Major likes this.

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